Don't be unnerved - ECB is rushing to get rates to a neutral level. Interestingly they see neutral somewhere around 4%. Rates at 2% were unusually low but holding them that low for such a long time has fooled Irish buyers into thinking that 2% was normal.
More indications that ECB will keep raising beyond 3.5% into next year:
If that's the opinion in our canteen, i'm sure it's echoed around many other canteens
in the country. Maybe??
I've noticed it too. I keep my bearish comments to this thread as I don't want to upset my heavily indebted friends/colleagues ... but lately there's been a definite increase in nervousness about the property market.
I've been in the exact same situation many times.I keep my bearish comments to this thread as I don't want to upset my heavily indebted friends/colleagues ...
I did try to talk to one of my friends about his recent apartment purchase, but he didn't listen to me - very sensitive stuff. I guess you just don't talk about money in public, it's a private decision that he's made. God help him (25 and mortgaged to 400k for 35 years), that's all I can say.
Was shocked to see the price of this in phibs. 550K.
Gonna watch this one to see how fall the price falls.
The expansion eastwards of the Irish investor follows a trend across Europe with entrepreneurs who made fortunes from the growth of the Celtic tiger economy buying up airports and shopping malls in England; thousands of apartments on the Spanish Costa's and Florida; and hotels and ski chalets in the Balkans. (These are the markets now flooded with inventory and falling prices where Paddies are floundering in a sea of hard lessons)
The Irish are estimated to be in the top three foreign investor nations in Berlin. However, in a city of 3,4-million, where only half of its citizens are working, German observers of the Berlin property market are extremely cautious. (They look at these Paddies and scratch their heads in bemusement)
Ralf Schoenball, a property expert for the Berlin-based daily Der Tagesspiegel, warns that Berlin may not be the best place for Irish investors to buy flats and apartments. "Don't get me wrong here. I have been here since 1983 and I love Berlin. But the economy of this city has shrunk every year since 1996 with one exception: [growth of] 1% in 2000.
"Because of the shrinking economy there are fewer Berliners working and the incomes of the households are decreasing if you take into account the cost of living. For the housing market this means that, as people have less money, an increase in rents makes it harder for them to pay. There are also 100 000 empty flats in Berlin, so tenants can move around and find the cheapest places to rent."
Morris brushes aside the cautious noises of German observers and says: "The prospects for Berlin look good in the long run. (No they don’t, the population is falling and aging and incomes are falling along with the birth rate) Many of the Germans in business here are too conservative.
But the economy of this city has shrunk every year since 1996 with one exception: [growth of] 1% in 2000.
However, in a city of 3,4-million, where only half of its citizens are working, German observers of the
Berlin property market are extremely cautious.
I don't know wheter to laugh or to cry as the total utter complete madness, and am a little ashamed to call myself Irish when this kind of insanity is spreading to other shores where the locals have sense but now this Irish pyramid money is going to distort their market."The €35-million deal we are trying to secure now would land us with 900 apartments, 30% of which need renovation. What we are offering in all our properties is a net return per annum of 7% from rental incomes,"
Any word on any auctions this week? I know a local house was for auction today. Wonder if it sold well above AMV.
Clare Road, Drumcondra was sold at auction today by GWD - guiding €1mn it sold under the hammer @ €1.35mn
I would have expected that to go for much more than €1.35M
The last one auctioned on Clare road was St Judes, No 19 Clare Road - it sold for €1.26M but that was in August 2005, over a year ago.
Economic Darwinism?Whathome - it went 35% over the guide! The house had a great back garden (well loads of potential anyway), but the 4th "bedroom" wouldn't actually house a single bed and was really only fit for an en suite to the master bedroom. I reckon it needed 200k+ (and 6-9 months) to get it to a decent standard. So, 1.35 + .200 + .120 for stampers brings total cost to almost 1.7mn - think that's questionable in terms of value. Oh and getting PP for the alterations might not be a piece of cake either - the 2nd last one on that road was sold 3-4 years ago and the buyers have still not moved in. Hope it works out for the buyers - brave people.
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Whathome - it went 35% over the guide!
The house had a great back garden (well loads of potential anyway), but the 4th "bedroom" wouldn't actually house a single bed and was really only fit for an en suite to the master bedroom. I reckon it needed 200k+ (and 6-9 months) to get it to a decent standard. So, 1.35 + .200 + .120 for stampers brings total cost to almost 1.7mn - think that's questionable in terms of value. Oh and getting PP for the alterations might not be a piece of cake either - the 2nd last one on that road was sold 3-4 years ago and the buyers have still not moved in. Hope it works out for the buyers - brave people.
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