The_Banker
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agree 100%IDavid Ervine did more since the peace process began than anyone individual (on the ground, as it were) to bring about understanding and reconsiliation between both sides in Northern Ireland. While on the 'other' side as it were, he recognised the right of both sides in Northern Ireland and was articulate in his arguments
Not very pleasant but hardly a big surprise. Can't imagine there would even be an attempt to have a minutes silence in Windsor Park if Gerry Adams or Martin McGuinness were to pass away.
I liked Ervine from what I saw and knew of him, but the highlighted part of your statement is a tad extreme.David Ervine did more since the peace process began than anyone individual (on the ground, as it were) to bring about understanding and reconsiliation between both sides in Northern Ireland.
And this means what exactly??Instead of recognising that David Ervine had more in common with them than some of there own 'leaders' who would never enter an IFA soccer ground.
I liked Ervine from what I saw and knew of him, but the highlighted part of your statement is a tad extreme.
I don't think it is extreme. He was prepared to compromise and see the other side's argument. He came to the 'south' and engaged the people unlike Paisley/others who have been condecending to the south in everything he said/did.
And this means what exactly??
I agree the booing is sickening, but to try and say that Cliftonville supporters would have more in common with Ervine than with Adams/McGuinness is ridiculous in the extreme.It means that David Ervine would have been an Irish League Football supporter (just like Cliftonville supporters) and therefore they had more in common than they thought or would accept. Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness would not be soccer supporters like the Cliftonville people who booed.
Booing during the minute silence for a dead man who tried to bring reconsiliation is sickening.
Agree 100%.What made me so angry was the Cliftonville supporters who booed were just mindless oafs who just hate for the sake of hating. .
In some respects perhaps, but at least David Ervine was not bigotted , unlike the Cliftonville supporters who booed.Instead of recognising that David Ervine had more in common with them than some of there own 'leaders' who would never enter an IFA soccer ground.
Of all places to look for rational, logical or civilised behaviour the football terraces/stands are often the last that you will find it. Often the mob mentality prevails - and it can be a great buzz! Usually it's all simply part of the fun. Sometimes, such as here, it can get ugly and manifest itself in a way that can be offensive to some. I wouldn't blow such an incident out of all proportion or start trying to generalise from it though. Anybody who has been to a football (soccer) match and knows what goes on really should know the score on this front.
Have you ever been at a Bohs-Rovers game?Exactly. And Northern Ireland soccer is not exactly known for its civilised behaviour.
Have you ever been at a Bohs-Rovers game?
Not very pleasant but hardly a big surprise. Can't imagine there would even be an attempt to have a minutes silence in Windsor Park if Gerry Adams or Martin McGuinness were to pass away.
Where is "here" in this case?and certainly no worse than here where 3 years ago a group of Dinamo fans pulled out of a police and military protected convoy for a pitstop on the road side and were hammered senseless and their car burned out, on a main road! The media actually laughed about it and said it's just part of the game.
I don't agree that the media should self censor in deference to other issues that may be ongoing in the wider community. Of course, whether or not the incident in question was newsworthy on a wider scale in the first place is another issue altogether.Given the delicate state of the peace process the media should be more careful with their coverage of incidents such as this as it only inflames and incites others to attempt some form of retribution
I agree. Another big step would be if SF/IRA could finally pinpoint where they ditched the bodies of the various people that they "disappeared" over the years.Just heard that Gerry Adams attended the David Ervine funeral. That was a big step towards reconsiliation. Gerry Adams should be appaulded for this. For a lasting peace in the North, mindsets have to change and this was a very big step. Unthinkable a few years back.
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