This is how it started in several countries; collect as much personal data as possible and then miss-use that data to get rid of the Jews, communists and other groups.
The data are not linked to your name. Your name is never scanned into the database at all.
Your name is only asked for two reasons. Firstly so that the enumerator knows who they have dealt with, and can check that the form looks consistant. Secondly, so that in 100 year time when the forms are made public, they will make sense to those looking them up.
Well clearly we should have destroyed all computers after what the Nazi's did. If IBM hadn't provided them with their newfangled counting machines they wouldn't have been able to have such an efficient holocaust.When will we learn from the past?
Well clearly we should have destroyed all computers after what the Nazi's did. If IBM hadn't provided them with their newfangled counting machines they wouldn't have been able to have such an efficient holocaust.
And let's not forget that this census is actualy done for the EU as it's driven by the EU demanded EU wide 2011 Census.
Similar promisse (i.e. it's not linked to your personal data) was made in Germany before they Nazi's came to power and used the census to root out people they did not like. And if the forms are stored any goverment could go back and scan it all in the name of what ever reason they come up with.
Well I had started to type up a reasoned argument, but then I realised there was no point as you clearly aren't open to reason.Let me see, I disproof your "it's not linked" by showing you the form where it's linked and you come up with this?
Congrats on proving Godwins Law. It usually takes more than three pages for a thread to descend into this nonsense.This is how it started in several countries; collect as much personal data as possible and then miss-use that data to get rid of the Jews, communists and other groups.
In all the years of the government running a census here in this current fashion, have you any examples of where the data has been used to engage in a programme of ethnic cleansing, a holocaust, the rooting out of undesirables or even just one example of the government using the data for anything other than a statistics gathering exercise that is used for socio-economic planning?
Please stop using the example of one extreme regime's heinous acts as if it were a fait accompli for every single regime, it's tiresome and hysterical. Though an opportunity to link to xkcd is always welcomed:
http://xkcd.com/261/
Mind, the Doomsday book was also used to instigate and expand an oppressive regime... Enda = William I England? Is the 5 point plan really just the introduction of the feudal system and the working class forced into serfdom? Holy Moly, you may have a point, this is a slippery slope...
You might feel happy about the goverment hoarding this data and that is fine, but I don't.
Now we're getting somewhereit's all irrational fear in my head.
You might feel happy about the goverment hoarding this data and that is fine, but I don't.
But from the looks of it I'm in the minority and it's all irrational fear in my head.
It's amazing how many people are ignoring the fact that the goverment is collecting massive amount of personal data with the view that our incompetent goverment won't do anything with it because they have not done anything with it in the past.
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I don't really see anything that could be misused by the Government. Other than if they chose to start "cleansing" the country of people who commute to work by car they'll know who you are, but I'll be safe given use of cycle.
Actually, I was inclined to think that Jakdelad was alittle off his rocker until I read on another board that a CACI UK is a census contractor and a subsidary of an AMerican company, CACI International.
CACI provides intelligence and interrogation staff to the US Military and/or their civilian contractor is Iraq. Most notably they allegedly provided over half of the interrogators in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison.
Legal cases against CACI seem to be in process and it seems that the CSO can't disbar a contractor unless they have a conviction.
I wrote to the CSO office to confirm this and this is their response:
Quote:
Originally Posted by csofieldoffice
The census is a major undertaking for the CSO and contractors have been
employed to assist with specialized parts of the work. For 2011 the
contract for the design and print of the census forms, and the provision
and onsite support of the hardware and software required for the scanning,
capture and coding of the census forms was awarded to CACI UK, which is an
independent subsidiary of CACI International. CACI UK were first awarded
the contract for the processing of the 2002 and 2006 censuses and won the
2011 contract after an open competitive procurement process run under EU
competitive tendering law which applies to all public bodies. Of the
proposals received by the CSO, CACI (UK)’s gave best value for the
taxpayer. EU rules do not allow bidders to be excluded because they are
foreign companies. The census forms were printed by a Dublin printer.
In August 2003, CACI International Inc provided staff to the US Army to
conduct IT and intelligence work in Iraq including interrogation services.
Subsequently, in spring 2004 an allegation was made that a CACI employee
had been involved in the mistreatment of detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison
in Iraq. This allegation was not substantiated by any evidence or proof at
the time it was made, and subsequent investigations by both CACI and the US
government could not confirm it. CACI have stated publicly that they take
this allegation extremely seriously, that they do not condone, tolerate or
endorse any illegal behavior by its employees in any circumstances or at
any time and they have, and always will, hold themselves to the highest
ethical standards.
The Central Statistics Office is fundamentally committed to ethical and
proper conduct in all matters and would never have any dealings with a
company convicted of human rights abuse. EU procurement rules do allow
bidders to be excluded if they have been convicted of certain criminal or
other offences but none of these exclusions applies to CACI (UK) - or
indeed to its US parent. The US parent company strongly denies the
allegations made against it and makes clear its abhorrence of human rights
violations.
Confidentiality is the cornerstone of all work conducted by the CSO. All
information collected in the census is treated as strictly confidential by
the CSO and will be used only for statistical purposes. This
confidentiality is guaranteed by law. Under the Statistics Act 1993 the
Central Statistics Office is prohibited by law from divulging any
individual information to any third party, be it a Government Department or
agency, or a private enterprise. The CSO is the only organisation that
will have access to identifiable census information relating to individuals
or households.
All staff working on the census (HQ, field or contract) have been signed up
as Officers of Statistics. The penalty for any breaches of confidentiality
by staff, permanent or contract, can be as high as €25,000. All are made
fully aware of their legal obligations in this respect.
The CSO is justifiably proud of its unblemished record in protecting the
confidentiality of data. It is one of the CSO's top priorities to maintain
this record.
Every household present in the State on Census night, April 10th, has a
legal obligation to complete a Census form under the Statistics Act 1993
and the Statistics (Census of Population) Order 2010.
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