DublinHead54
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Isn't this where the big banks have come unstuck, bogged down by rickety systems that they can't get out from under while challenger banks have taken to eating their lunch?
We'll probably have to park up the broader blockchain discussion as veering away from Bitcoin but I'd imagine it will find use cases across all industries over time. In financial services, the biggest single use case will be the tokenization of real world assets and stocks, bringing about disintermediation and removing some degree of counterparty risk.Blockchain was only really being looked at as aback office use to help with reconciliations and settlements. For Wall Street there is probably not really a competitive advantage to gain from using blockchain over existing systems.
.......the biggest single use case will be the tokenization of real world assets and stocks, bringing about disintermediation and removing some degree of counterparty risk.
We'll probably have to park up the broader blockchain discussion as veering away from Bitcoin but I'd imagine it will find use cases across all industries over time. In financial services, the biggest single use case will be the tokenization of real world assets and stocks, bringing about disintermediation and removing some degree of counterparty risk.
That's the way I'm looking at it too - it will be interesting to see if even this is acknowledged by some on here.
Delighted you brought this up. All we've had over recent years with Bitcoin in general and particularly with the energy debate has been an ignorant prejudiced view that its an abomination - shut it down with no accommodation or desire to develop a more informed, nuanced view. We had Greenpeace, who took $$$$$ from a very much centralized crypto project and used that to run a campaign against Bitcoin (thanks, Greenpeace - a complete self-own) exactly like this. They say it can do Proof of Stake - a totally ignorant view and one that demonstrates that they couldn't give a toss about decentralized technology. They were quite happy to sell out and accept corporate $$$ to run the campaign though.However, where is the incentive or rather the governance structure to do so?
But within Bitcoin who can mandate change across the entire network?
Delighted you brought this up. All we've had over recent years with Bitcoin in general and particularly with the energy debate has been an ignorant prejudiced view that its an abomination - shut it down with no accommodation or desire to develop a more informed, nuanced view. We had Greenpeace, who took $$$$$ from a very much centralized crypto project and used that to run a campaign against Bitcoin (thanks, Greenpeace - a complete self-own) exactly like this. They say it can do Proof of Stake - a totally ignorant view and one that demonstrates that they couldn't give a toss about decentralized technology. They were quite happy to sell out and accept corporate $$$ to run the campaign though.
I've touched on this subject recently - and it applies here to. Bitcoin and decentralized crypto/blockchain doesn't exist in a vacuum. If someone was to say, we're regulating Bitcoin mining - it can only be carried out where there's excess energy, I've no issue with that. Crypto folk are not anti-regulation, that's inaccurate. In fact, they've been calling for regulation relative to various facets of this innovation for years - but regulation that works with the innovation, not regulation designed to stomp it out.
Other than that, let me turn that around on you - what governance structure exists for data centers internationally? How is that any different? The activity is similar (although bitcoin miners don't necessarily need to be running 24/7 - and that's an opportunity to be exploited relative to times of excess energy and times of potential energy shortage).
Bitcoin can't have a 'governance structure' for such a thing - as by its very nature, it's decentralized. However, the protocol itself is clever - because its driving efficiency in the use of energy. Of all sectors out there, bitcoin mining has a higher level of renewable/excess power use than all others. At this point, it's almost impossible to turn a profit in that industry if you don't have access to energy with a near-zero cost.
If it doesn't have a governance structure who specifically has been calling for regulation within the ecosystem as it pertains to bitcoin and mining? I'm only aware of calls for regulation as it pertains to the markets of crypto.
The data centre question is easy, they are owned by centralised enterprises that have governance structures and ESG goals.
As you point out bitcoin can't have a governance structure. So my question was in the absence of this how does BTC move to net zero?
It seems a bit of a challenge.
Firstly, its a decentralized activity and it needs to stay that way. So that maybe why you haven't heard those calls. Secondly, those calls have largely been reactionary to instances of punitive regulation in the space. Here's an example. Mining needs to stay decentralized so if you have an expectation of the whole thing coming together in unison under one organization, not only will that not happen, nobody in the community would want to see any attempts towards that for obvious reasons.
I don't have expectations, I asked a question of how a decentralized network can embrace Net Zero.
I wouldn't say they've been around for years. They've been piloted in recent years. That's not quite the same thing.Bitcoin mining is driven by money by design, so for BP to start using flared gas to mine bitcoin the economics would have to work out. You've cited plenty examples, but those options have been around for years, how do they actually become reality when the network is decentralised?
We arrive at the same point. If you have no expectations, then it's because you recognize that it's a decentralized network/protocol. It isn't taking any decisions re. Net Zero. Actors concerning themselves with Net Zero and Bitcoin can if they so choose.
I wouldn't say they've been around for years. They've been piloted in recent years. That's not quite the same thing.
Beyond that, the answer to your question is the same as above. Net Zero, ESG - they're constructs independent of Bitcoin the network. If those that concern themselves with those initiatives want to apply them relative to Bitcoin mining activity, they can. I don't see much difference between regulating Bitcoin mining and regulating data centers. That's a matter for individual jurisdictions.
For sure. I mean, the only way it kind of gets driven by the protocol itself is via its design - given that its at the point where a miner starting out today needs to source free or almost free energy in order to be competitive (which is most likely to be energy that would otherwise be wasted, excess energy from renewables, etc.).I've got the answer now, ESG / net zero from a bitcoin perspective is irrelevant as it can't be put in place in a decentralised network. It can only come through regulation or government in the locations of the miners.
That relies on a very large number of people who are buying it suddenly losing faith in its value.Clearly it's going to zero. Very soon.
I'm glad I got cold feet shorting it, still thinking its overvalued but what do I knowClearly it's going to zero. Very soon.
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