I hope you brought your flask and a boot load of hang sandwiches Duke, because we're going to be here for a while!It is a truly weird and I suggest unprecedented situation. Yes, we have had massive falls and come-backs in share prices but these would be supported by fundamentals of value such as revenues, for example Apple. But with bitcoin there are no such fundamentals. Nothing has changed in 12 months on the fundamentals of bitcoin but its price has fallen 80%. I understand how folk could ask "if it was $67k a year ago and nothing has changed, what is to stop it going back to $67k?"
The FTX failure is one of latent fraud implicating centralized finance - not decentralized finance. He never had $32 billion and he certainly has much more than $100,000. It's an incredibly costly exercise for those caught up in it - but in the longer run, the FTX saga will make Bitcoin stronger. It has also acted as a wake up call for DeFi projects to double down on actual decentralization. Many of them have been found to have weaknesses and flaws in terms of the degree of actual decentralization implicated.I guess anyone wondering about inherent value of the Crypto currency craze just needs to look at FTX and 'SBF'.
From $32 Billion perceived wealth to $100k in little more than a few days.
QED and all that.
This AFS* is what is keeping the bitcoin price surprisingly stable and relatively high by historic standards.@newirishman I know, right?...although his claim almost looks reasonable when compared to the Bitcoin going to zero claims.
You can try and misrepresent what I stated any which way you want Duke. He made his point - I agree with him, it's a pretty outlandish claim for 2023. However, I'm more than justified in covering the other end of the spectrum. The claims of going to zero have been ongoing since this debate started here in 2017 and they're even more remote now than ever.This AFS* is what is keeping the bitcoin price surprisingly stable and relatively high by historic standards.
The fall of anything that's not wholesome is a short term crapshow and a long term positive.* Tether may be it
Paradise lost? How crypto failed to deliver on its promises and what to do about it
The European Central Bank (ECB) is the central bank of the European Union countries which have adopted the euro. Our main task is to maintain price stability in the euro area and so preserve the purchasing power of the single currency.www.ecb.europa.eu
Paradise lost? How crypto failed to deliver on its promises and what to do about it
Speech by Fabio Panetta, Member of the Executive Board of the ECB, at a panel on the future of crypto at the 22nd BIS Annual Conference, 23 June 2023
Well the Boss and I have always argued that Bitcoin is a BOHA.Fabio of ECB said:And if the balloon is full of hot air, it may rise for a while but will burst in the end.
And what to do about it? If it failed, there's nothing to do about it right? Right?Paradise lost? How crypto failed to deliver on its promises and what to do about it
The European Central Bank (ECB) is the central bank of the European Union countries which have adopted the euro. Our main task is to maintain price stability in the euro area and so preserve the purchasing power of the single currency.www.ecb.europa.eu
Paradise lost? How crypto failed to deliver on its promises and what to do about it
Speech by Fabio Panetta, Member of the Executive Board of the ECB, at a panel on the future of crypto at the 22nd BIS Annual Conference, 23 June 2023
Let's see. Since we last discussed...Well the Boss and I have always argued that Bitcoin is a BOHA.
The only aspect of this speech which I take issue with is this populist eco argument. Crypto gamblers are entitled to use the electricity system as much as anyone else.
Great to get the latest propaganda fodder for the cult.- Citi tell us that real world asset tokenization is a trillion dollar opportunity (market to reach $5 trillion by 2030) and a killer use case in crypto.
Duke, as honorary president of TAC, will be appearing at McSorleys next Tuesday night, where he will be signing copies of his book, "Denial: A Memoir".I admit that I am greatly surprised (and disappointed) by the resilience of bitcoin.
But the words of our own Central Banker and this Fabio guy strengthen my conviction that bitcoin is BOHA.
But what I missed is the capacity for homo sapiens to delude itself. Take religions. They do have some fairly hard to believe claims and they can't all be right. Yet many have survived for thousands of years :mad:
Fair enough - I'll be holding you to that standard and I'll remind you of this, the next moment you step foot in crypto vs. Bitcoin.As for tokenisation of real assets that is off topic. Bitcoin is not a real asset. Start a thread on the uses of blockchain.
Honestly the very 1st sentence of his conclusion is false.
"Conclusion
To conclude, crypto-assets have been promoted as decentralised alternatives promising more resilient financial services"
I'd say surviving all the attacks on crypto by regulators, governments and bad actors, shows the resilience of crypto.
He certainly has omitted the un-censorable transactioning component of crypto from his definition of resilience.
Basically it's just a hit piece by someone that wants to control you and your access to money.
Basically it's just a hit piece by someone that wants to control you and your access to money.
Basically it's just a hit piece by someone that wants to control you and your access to money.
That's why I am glad I am stupid and nigh eve. I actually believe that the central banks in our democracies are doing what they think is best for our economies.Speaking of control, practically every single central bank on the face of the earth is working on a central bank digital currency (CBDC) right now. That's when we will see the true horrors of that control - with money that can be programmed by them to determine how long you have to spend it, where you can spend it, on what you can spend it.
Speaking of control, practically every single central bank on the face of the earth is working on a central bank digital currency (CBDC) right now.
So the 'trust me bro' approach to central governance. Nothing can possibly go wrong with that, you're quite right.That's why I am glad I am stupid and nigh eve. I actually believe that the central banks in our democracies are doing what they think is best for our economies.
It must be very depressing to see through the evil corrupt system that we live under. Lighten up - they may be hopelessly corrupt but heck they haven't done too badly for the plebs.
Ah yes, we're talking about the El Salvador that adopted BTC as legal tender and immediately the IMF kicked up and said that it wouldn't be able to pay back its loans. El Salvador's historic economic issues were exactly that - historic, having nothing to do with BTC adoption. The IMFs prediction (wish?) was wrong - the country met its debt repayment obligations. In the meantime, many others haven't - but we shouldn't talk about them.Though on second thoughts maybe I should escape to El Salvador.
You're kidding, right? CBDCs will drive more people to Bitcoin - not the other way around. If you believe this to be the case, then you have zero understanding of what Bitcoin and decentralized money is all about.If or when this happens, surely anyone holding bitcoin will be left with a digital currency that no one wants or needs to use ?
My understanding is that a central bank digital currency is nothing more than ordinary folk being able to have their current accounts with the CB. As it is, most of us use the commercial banks for our digital currency. (I haven't spent a real penny in weeks). Don't understand why they need any development work. It would be a fairly fundamental change to the monetary system. For example it would remove a source of funding for the commercial banks with big implications for the economy.If or when this happens, surely anyone holding bitcoin will be left with a digital currency that no one wants or needs to use ?
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