DublinHead54
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31.12.19 $16,000
There is no such thing as a 'neutral' discussion. The moment someone forms an opinion, inherent bias exists. That's not to say that there isn't value in having a post that provides a view in summary - but it is someone's 'take' or a group of people's view on the subject. The same goes for commercial and social media. There is no media without bias on the very same basis.I appreciate your efforts on your new thread to introduce a neutral discussion on btc as an investment option.
ALL . DAY . LONG .Personally speaking, it comes across like a ground zero moment. A "let's start all over again with the condition that I will dictate the terms of the discussion and should I perceive that anyone has stepped out of those terms then I can call them out as being wrong" moment.
Lightning Network is on the way - and so, it's hoped that it will once again be a functional transactional currency.
Lightning Network is only just beginning to make some sort of impact (despite not being a completed project itself - its still being developed).
Fact Check: I referred to LN on an ongoing basis and over most of that time, I referred to it being in development. I didn't say that it was a solution to scaling - I referred to it repeatedly as having potential to resolve the issues of excessive transaction cost, excessive transaction time and restricted transaction through-put. Despite the potential that I believed it had/has, throughout those years, I acknowledged that bitcoin had limitations with regard to its use as a medium of exchange.Over the course of 3 years @tecate has pointed to the lightning network roughly 60 times as the solution to scaling issues. The mention of LN delivery is often to reject criticism tabled, and support the case for BTC. However, by Tecates own admission it is only as of June 2021 that the LN is beginning to "make some impact".
I was here during the depths of the 2018 bear market. There was practically no other folk positive about bitcoin/crypto knocking around back then ( there were a few that preceded me - but they'd long since been chased off ). I saw with my own two eyes what was happening in terms of real development in the space - and I posted on that basis. These are the posts that you claimed to be rhetoric when you dropped-by much, much later. They were real life examples of tangible development. Now they're coming so fast that its practically impossible to keep up with what's going on in the space. People that I pay heed to in this space - who I could only dream of having a fraction of their knowledge - have said themselves - pick certain projects and know them. Even they can't possibly keep on top of what's being developed.In those three years we have seen BTC rise from $18,000 to $60,000 without Lightning Network. Thus, BTC price movements can and have moved independently to enhancements of the underlying network.
In my investment analysis thread, I suggest that to make an investment decision on Bitcoin an investor does not to put much emphasis on future enhancements. What I mean and will clarify is that an investor should not base their decision on information / price predictions based on potential future enhancements of BTC that are guaranteed.
. Had you spent two minutes investigating the El Salvador project you would have known that LN is central to it. You didn't because you had no clue.
$30 is not great when fees can hit $60+. Given the average GDP of EL Salvador residents is $4,000 per annum, anything other than extremely cheap transactions is too expensive for them. For this to be any kind of success it requires the rollout of the lightning network.
Interestingly given that BTC fees can be bid up during periods of volatility to allow those who want to sell or buy get their transactions to the front of the line. This pits the relatively poor El Salvadorians against those with large holdings or deep pockets (Wall Street Institutional Investors).
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It had made modest in-roads in this regard...but the momentum has gone into reverse as bitcoin hit scaling issues (resulting in prohibitive tx fees and times). If that gets resolved by Lightning Network, then it can move forward again in this respect.
I'm not sure the relevance of El Salvador has to the comment I made. However, as we are on Hot on factchecks please see my reference from earlier this week regarding LNs importance in the success of the El Salv project.
Why would I be surprised - you've volunteered that info on a number of occasions. As regards reading the wrong sources, if you need book recommendations, there's a few that I think would be suitable for you - albeit that none of them are related in any way to crypto/blockchain.I know it surprises you given you've classified me as a 'naysayer', but I'm involved in crypto. I read a wide range of content on crypto from various sources daily. Though as you've pointed out, I must be reading the wrong sources.
It's completely farcical. LN exists today - it can and is being used today for micropayments. The entire Salvadoran project is LN based. Mallers' strike app is LN based. Bottlepay is LN based. A number of exchanges have enabled LN. Now it could be reasonable if this appeared in the article somewhere - but it didn't even get a mention.If LN doesn't work by your own admission (previous quote) BTC will struggle as a transactional currency? Thus that farcical article isn't really farcical?
You have no basis for said comment (your 'example' doesn't qualify - I'll get to that in a second). It's very much in my interests to seek out criticism of BTC - and that's precisely what I do. My decision to participate here was made in that vein. It's understating things to say that this isn't a crypto-positive space.What I've really struggled with Tecate is that you come out with, "I'm not an expert, this is just my opinion" but then you are so incredibly quick to discount experts who criticise Bitcoin. I would think if you've no expertise you'd be more open to listen to opinions.
For example I referenced 2 crypto news sources and the FT, and you've said they've no credibility. I apologize, I mean you didn't say it directly, you inferred it but kept it vague enough to claim you've been misquoted.
You've made the big fat claim - now lets see what you'll concoct. I say concoct as there's no earthly way I've done such a thing. Lets here it.Dublinbay12 said:Ask your friend Tecate, as he is often posting examples of market manipulation in support of BTC adoption.
And there's your error. If you can't think in first principles, then you're at a distinct disadvantage. See above on your 'respected news outlets'. Secondly, nobody has claimed anything to be FUD here without giving their complete rationale as to why.Dublinbay12 said:Ok so any reporting that dares criticise or present a negative opinion is FUD? What a load of rubbish. If that were true then it seems some people on here have authoritarian views when it comes to bitcoin. It's such a weak defence to just call a news story FUD, especially when said reporting comes from respected crypto news outlets.
I guess I should just come to this forum for the truth*.
*Truth according to Tecate
The post where you bemoan the cost of main-net fees in the context of the Salvadoran project? On that basis, you suggest that bitcoin isn't an appropriate solution
Firstly, you're making an assumption that someone writing for the FT is an expert. That's a mistake. They may or may not be. And even if they are - an expert in what? Discussion of bitcoin implicates finance, tech, monetary policy, regulation, etc. etc. Ask the Duke what my go-to example of a renowned economist not staying in his lane (keynesian economics) and making big fat (wayward) claims on tech is.
Secondly, this is not the 1970s. Any professional worth their salt would not be insecure about having any idea challenged. In fact, they would actively encourage it. Last but not least, any opinion expressed comes with an inherent bias.
You work in some way with crypto. Then this should resonate with you. I can't remember if its the WSJ or the FT but one or other of them - when someone checked it, the word 'DeFi' had appeared in that publication less times than I have fingers. It's not something that's been discussed here at all but we're talking about something that's going to disrupt the hell out of traditional finance and that's how much attention they've been paying to it.
@WolfeTone, You've got your perception wrong. Given that I clearly state it is a 'neutral' stance, there will be no calling people out. You should note I already told one of the harshest critics from this forum to not mention Roubini. The objective is to keep updating the main post as feedback comes in from those like yourself so that it can benefit all users of this forum. We can keep the debate and discussion on topics like this. I've already received a number of positive PMs that the information is helpful.
Do you have any specific feedback or suggestion on the content? I think you could provide some great content given your assertations above.
It sounds like you have a good method of valuing Bitcoin, can you provide your approach for valuation and I will include it? Did you refine your approach from your earlier predictions?
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The challenge I have had for the last 8 years and in particularly since 'crypto twitter' and FUD from late 2016, is that you can't statistically model the impact of a tweet. It is very popular especially on Crypto Twitter to use technical analysis as an indication of a breakout or case for an investment, however it can't factor in the impact of news stories or government announcements.
I guess that valuation method needs some work.
Eh, yes of course it does. While I can point to a series of successes in valuing bitcoin including a near bullseye price prediction of $34,500 I can also point to a series of
Such as?I determine it from a number of observable and variable sources
In fact the only evidence I see of you predicting the value of Bitcoin with an associated time you got it wrong.
can you provide your approach for valuation and I will include it?
So why would you request that I post my valuation method?
My own modeling for bitcoin price reckoned, last November, that
If I am getting it wrong, can you point out to me where? I have asked you this already.
31.12.19 $16,000
Because you brought up the topic of having a modelling approach for making 'near bullseye' price predictions.
While I can point to a series of successes in valuing bitcoin including a near bullseye price prediction of $34,500 I can also point to a series of price predictions that where I was way off the mark also
I guess that valuation method needs some work.
Eh, yes of course it does
Can you provide what observable and variable sources you use?
My own modeling for bitcoin price reckoned, last November, that
We all know you have no model, and you are just making an educated guess
In fact you should know that monetary policy of the ECB and FRB has largely been unchanged for the last 10 years
simply providing information to help others form an opinion
I feel sorry for people who bought BTC at current high prices ($30k to $60k)
If you think monetary policy has been largely unchanged then here is brief history of Fed Reserve QE monetary policy changes since 2008.
- In late November 2008, the Federal Reserve started buying $600 billion in mortgage-backed securities.
- In November 2010, the Fed announced a second round of quantitative easing, buying $600 billion of Treasury securities by the end of the second quarter of 2011
- A third round of quantitative easing, "QE3", was announced on 13 September 2012.
- On 19 June 2013, Ben Bernanke announced a "tapering" of some of the Fed's QE policies contingent upon continued positive economic data. Specifically, he said that the Fed could scale back its bond purchases from $85 billion to $65 billion a month during the upcoming September 2013 policy meeting. He also suggested that the bond-buying program could wrap up by mid-2014.
- On 18 September 2013, the Fed decided to hold off on scaling back its bond-buying program and announced in December 2013 that it would begin to taper its purchases in January 2014.
- Purchases were halted on 29 October 2014 after accumulating $4.5 trillion in assets.
- In September 2019, the Federal Reserve began conducting its fourth quantitative easing operation since the 2008 financial crisis
Now perhaps you read that as a continuation of the same policy throughout, with some tinkering? Good luck with that.
In my view, the repeated additional announcements of extending QE amount to a change of the policy direction that was intended at outset of the previous announcement.
That is my interpretation, which clearly will differ from yours. As such we are likely to take different courses of action in investment strategy.
Why would you feel sorry for people who bought BTC at current high prices? Perhaps you can reveal your own 'model' that invokes this concern from you?
How can a continuation of Quantitative easing be interpreted as a change of policy direction??????????
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