We have learnt that a fixed money supply is not fit for purpose
bitcoin is not a currency.
As a thought experiment what if it was a valid alternative currency? I think it would be a serious impediment to mainstream monetary policy and in the (perceived) interests of society the authorities would be forced to act.
I've sent on a link to your last few posts to @FoxNews - I'd expect you should hear from one of their recruiters imminently. You reckon that you've quoted Stevens yet why have you run one sentence into another - skipping the two sentences in between - and trying to remove context and in so doing misrepresent Stevens and with that, trying to discredit him? I wonder why you feel you need to go to those lengths....@WolfeTone
I am addressing you here as @tecate is in pure denial mode. This is what his latest bitcoin evangelist actually said.
The interviewer sums up this theory by observing that “reproduction is important”.
I kid you not Wolfie.
I ask @tecate does he agree with this Darwinian theory, and he calls me Goebbels/Chemical Ali. Sure sign he is squirming.
@FoxNews - when you read this, you should know that you have a standout prospect here. Look at the ease with which he takes these items out of context - seamlessly. Lets go through them.There were a number of points where I agreed with the prophet.
Bitcoin is worthless of itself, its only value is as a medium of future exchange
Central bankers are well intentioned.
What a brass neck? Do you remember shouting from the rooftops that Professor Roubini had used the term "store of value". That was seriously out of context.Central bankers are well intentioned -> but of course Dukey takes the statement out of context.
I know you have deep-seated insecurities on this but nobody here is suggesting a complete swap out from fiat to bitcoin. What is being proposed is offering choice to people. You want to deny them that choice.Believe me if bitcoin was the mainstream currency of choice we would be in a far far worse condition.
It's interesting that you cite the notion of 'meeting the needs of technology-driven superfast growing economies'. Technology is driving us towards a deflationary future - and this Keynesian model of driving people into debt - driving them further into rampant consumerism and in the process destroying the planet - all to fuel the growth that this model demands - isn't going to be able to keep up with it.We have learnt that a fixed money supply is not fit for purpose (meeting the needs of technology driven superfast growing economies) j
I don't know enough about it - it's something I want to put some time into learning more about. Bitcoin gets criticised in terms of being deflationary - whilst looking back at the experience of the gold standard. I don't know if it's as simple as that - as bitcoin brings something else to the table with a programmatic monetary system that everyone knows from the outset and nobody can mess with. Otherwise, as I pointed out above, we are heading towards a changing environment - a deflationary environment over the longer run due to tech moving forward at pace. My understanding is that this keynesian driven fiat approach isn't going to be able to overcome that - and so, we will have to find a way of adjusting to a deflationary environment anyway.If you believe that all those previous periods would have been ones of economic bliss, or even better than they were, if only we had a fixed money supply, well I can't prove you are wrong, but I profoundly believe that to be the case.
The greatest threat to bitcoin is competently managed fiat currencies. If they're run flawlessly, then there's a much lesser case for bitcoin. If bitcoin is adopted to a point where it limits the ability of that country's CB to implement monetary policy, it means that they have screwed up royally and failed that country's citizens. If they're concerned about that eventuality, it's totally in their hands. Don't mismanage and it won't be an issue.As a thought experiment what if it was a valid alternative currency? I think it would be a serious impediment to mainstream monetary policy and in the (perceived) interests of society the authorities would be forced to act.
I agree - albeit with the understanding that this isn't an objective as far as the vast majority of crypto proponents are concerned. In fact, I can't for the life of me understand how anyone couldn't see this as a force for good. Imagine if you're a dictator or wayward regime in the developing world. If bitcoin has gotten to a point where its understood by people and its easier to use, you know that if you screw up with the sovereign currency through mismanagement - you're going to lose total control. It has the potential to offer people an alternative if the incumbent is being mismanaged. It provides an incentive for all of those regimes not to mismanage.Duke of Marmalade said:I don't think it is nearly so far along that road as to threaten mainstream monetary policy.
The issue of criminality has been well and truly dealt with - ergo, there's no more criminality in bitcoin's use than there is with cash fiat or electronic fiat. The tar and feathering on that score is exactly that - tar and feathering. The same with the 'cult' references that you persist with - in an attempt to sully it....from the proponent of the '[broken link removed]' cult.Duke of Marmalade said:The issue of criminal utility is a separate one which I am trying to stay out of it as it only gives @tecate the excuse to accuse me of persecuting the cult.
Apples and oranges your Dukeness. I recall it being discussed whilst all the while acknowledging that he was continuing with the bile and vitriole he reserves for bitcoin. It was an attempt to walk something back as he knows it's being established as a store of value despite his protests going back years already. Bitcoiners gave him hell for it - and so he returned to doubling and tripling down with the hate-filled anti-bitcoin outbursts.What a brass neck? Do you remember shouting from the rooftops that Professor Roubini had used the term "store of value". That was seriously out of context.
My reference to Stevens view of central bankers highlights a big rift in the cult between those (like yourself) who think that central bankers are the anti christ
If you're comparing Stevens' approach to the bile and vitriol that emanates from the nutty professor, I know exactly what you mean.Duke of Marmalade said:and those who in "humility and empathy" understand that they simply can't help their upbringing.
Agreed.I think at this stage we both know exactly where we are coming from.
It's not a probing interview - and from the very outset, they both acknowledge they're good buddies going back years. That doesn't mean to say that there isn't something to be learned from it. Is it biased/prejudiced? By virtue of the fact that its one persons opinion/view/experience, that's assumed in all cases. I wouldn't ever suggest anyone ever rely on any one opinion or even lots of various opinions without thinking critically for themselves.I generally enjoy and learn from your many links but that last one I did find distasteful. It got off to a very bad start with the guy protesting his concern for the "poor man"; he just didn't look the part; and as for the interviewer, Chris Wallace he was not.
that you have signed up to Wolfie's truce,
I listen to podcasts/interviews from a whole host of people
I gave it a go Wolfie. Many of the points have come up here. The one on divisibility and scarcity was a rabbit hole occupied by myself and @tecate some time ago. I agree with the bitcoiner on that one.Have to hand it to you Duke, you certainly know how to twist a tale in the direction you want(that's a backhanded compliment btw)
For @Duke of Marmalade I would recommend
What Bitcoin Did
Featuring none other than one of @Duke of Marmalade "people who know more than me and you", economist, and Christian, Frances Coppola and bitcoin maximalist Nic Carter.
People who know more
Frances, predicted earlier this year than bitcoin would collapse or cease by June this year following an unpleasant bout of trolling on social media for her criticisms of bitcoin.
Notwithstanding all of that, the discussion is civilised and reasonable and Frances is a very nice person. It features morality and religion, central banks and QE, scalability, rogue states, shadow banks, international settlements, etc...
Ordinarily I would advise to jump past the introductory plugs and ads but even at that, the plugs by the host give a glimpse into the technical development emerging in the crypto sector.
Give it 10-15mins, see if it of interest.
I am much more a Roubinist/Nobelist - bitcoin is a nonsense, a BOHA, sorry if that offends.
Reflect that there are several major religions in the world each with what appear to be quite far fetched belief systems and each absolutely stuffed with some very keen intellects.
he contrives to see a connection between bitcoin and Darwin's theory of evolution
Good point. And I was reflecting that some (most) modern art is BOHA to me but there are clearly folk who think it is not BOHA and that is good to put a quite significant market cap on that space.And more in-between, that have sustained value over the centuries.
I was reflecting that some (most) modern art is BOHA to me but there are clearly folk who think it is not BOHA and that is good to
but the founders just centralized the money into their accounts and ran away
In regulated fiat world you:that would never happen in the regulated fiat world?
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