Bank of Mum and Dad

Purple you make very valid points but your experience is probably not typical. You have been working about 9 years when you got your mortgage, nowadays people mainly start working between 23-26 after a third level education so 9 years working brings them to early mid 30’s before they have similar purchasing power.

I entered the work force in the mid- late 80’s when it was very hard to get a job and hard to get decent wages. I did not have generational wealth behind me so purchasing a house in the mid 90’s before house prices went sky high was very hard. 5 years later with a few kids we did a major overhaul of the house increasing our mortgage significantly, we were very broke but able to pay mortgage and crèches. Now the oldest is working, the mortgage is paid off and we have cash savings from working full time and saving our income.

So us giving our kids €3K each per year is a was for us to help them save a deposit, and in 10 years time when they look to buy they will have hopefully €50K from us.

As others said we are in our 50’s now and 3/4 of the parents are dead and we did get a modest inheritance from one which had increased our wealth. But it would have been so much nicer to get a trickle of that 25 years ago when we were buying. And knowing our relatively straightforward struggles nice to help our children have it a bit easier. I can remember a work colleague and his fiancé meeting for a walk twice a week for 3 years as they cut back on all socialising and lived at home to save money for that deposit.

I don’t see our savings as anything but earned income (the inheritance was in the past 12 months so not really a consideration in my argument) and we worked very hard for it so spending on the kids is our choice and hopefully it will make their lives a bit easier.

But I still think you make a really interesting and valid point.
 
Yes, I did, have, and do.
As I said, if the wealth is in property or the value of your pension then no, you didn't, haven't, and don't.
Obviously the wealth you have from earned income, as opposed to appreciation from invested earned income, then yes, you earned it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in the same boat. I will be able to help my kids financially, I'll inherit money that I can pass on and I'm on the right side of the property purchase timeline.
 
@Purple My statement is clear enough without further argument.

In any event, pension contributions are made from earned income; employer contributions to pension are part of earned income (total compensation).

Economic development in the country also comes about from the labour & efforts of the people living here.

Whilst we may (with justification) look for better solutions to the societal issues facing us in recent years; the truth is that living standards in Ireland (and globally) have hugely increased in the last 100 years.
 
@Purple My statement is clear enough without further argument.

In any event, pension contributions are made from earned income; employer contributions to pension are part of earned income (total compensation).

Economic development in the country also comes about from the labour & efforts of the people living here.

Whilst we may (with justification) look for better solutions to the societal issues facing us in recent years; the truth is that living standards in Ireland (and globally) have hugely increased in the last 100 years.
No argument with any of that. I've pointed out many times here the wonderful egalitarianism of Capitalism relative to the tyranny of Socialism as a dominant political and social model. That doesn't mean Capitalism is perfect, or doesn't need to be tempered with a little Socialism.
I'm simply pointing out that the growth in the value of your pension fund has nothing to do with you or your savings and everything to do with quantitative easing.
 
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