Avant Money (Bankinter) to enter Irish banking market

is the situation really that good for the core irish banks, I always understood the inability to get the asset back without war and peace for years was a major turn off for mortgage competitors ?

I think it is - I think they might be the only investable banks in the whole EU....Poland perhaps is a close 2nd....pretty consolidated market there too but not many get anywhere near the level of consolidation and deposit concentration such as the Irish banks in a country with low political risk (despite what you read in da papers!)

In terms of the inability to take custody of an asset in default - its just another barrier to entry for a competitor.....nobody likes hotel california situations with their lending book.....but the real barrier IMO was demonstrated during the uptick in European wide mortgage rates.....the deposit beta in Ireland (the need to pass through interest rate increases to retain deposits) was essentially non-existent here because of the deposit franchise these guys have.....in return for that low deposit beta...the Irish banks took very modest mortgage rate increases..we've seen the graphs we went quickly from having some of the highest rates in Europe to being in the bottom third....you could argue they were doing it knowing that they'd be in the political windfall tax crosshairs if they didnt pass on rate increases to depositors but totally slammed mortgage holders.....being more nuanced I think they didnt do it because they are NEVER letting their duopoly position go again.......if they keep mortgage rates relatively low here...they maximize their funding cost advantage......and it creates a relatively unattractive market to enter for a foreign competitor.

They would be wise to generate a 15% RoE through the cycle and no more......they've got a good thing going in the Irish market.....to over-earn here would be to put a target on their back from a domestic poltical perspective but also to attract foreign competitors back in.
 
EBS is the hidden gem in the current account market. Responsive call centre staffed by humans based in Ireland, no fees, nationwide branch network, and an online offering that is so antiquated that it doesn't lend itself to online scams. Think about it, you never hear of an EBS customer being scammed.
They're not scammed because they're too smart.
 
EBS is the hidden gem in the current account market. Responsive call centre staffed by humans based in Ireland, no fees, nationwide branch network, and an online offering that is so antiquated that it doesn't lend itself to online scams. Think about it, you never hear of an EBS customer being scammed.
That sounds very attractive. I eventually managed to open a new account after Ulster left. I didn't think of the EBS, I tried PTSB who were horrendous to deal with and went with BofI who were also difficult to open an account with. But they charge 6Euro a month for each account. I might check out EBS.

Very good to know about the difficulty scammers have with EBS, as a person who is getting older that might suit me very well. I am terrified of my BofI app where I can with the swipe of a button and 6 numbers transfer sums so easily.
 
I don't understand the comparisons over this new bank Interbank/Avant with the likes of Revolut.

Competition is good. We were back to the 2 banks having the lions share of the market again. And from my past experience with them both in cahoots with each other.

This new bank is a very welcome development. Much needed. And as they are a 'pillar' bank it is something that interests me.


Bankinter is a leading Spanish banking group. It is a top 50 European bank operating in Spain, Portugal, Ireland, and Luxembourg.
 
RTE and Irish Independent this week reported on Bankinter's results and provided some small references to their ongoing work to offer deposit products here.


"The current plans of the Bankinter Group involve the launch, staggered over time, of a consumer-oriented digital bank that will allow Irish consumers to expand the offering of savings products, with the possibility of subsequently extending it to other financial services," it said in its results presentation today."

Seems to be hinting further at a current account offering along with the deposit offer.

The results presentation also makes reference to their Evo Banco platform being a company focus. Might be a hint as to what is to come too.

Hopefully the CBI approves the Avant/Bankinter deposit taking/passporting soon.
 
The Irish Independent reports:

"It plans to launch as full service bank early next year when Avant Money will become a branch of the Spanish bank. By the second half of next year it aims to offer deposit products."

I guess that means current account product in H1 2025 and deposit products in H2 2025.
 
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