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Are the advertisements and promotions forcing you to overindulge or is this just a personal choice?Chamar said:Don't get me wrong, I drink. Probably a little too much even
Yes. That's why I said some people have a problem but many could deal with this through choice. Self confessed overindulgers (like Chamar for example) as opposed to addicted alcoholics was what I had in mind.Swallows said:It's not as simple as saying people should exercise control, some people have gone past that stage and are addicted.
Nobody is forced to attend functions that are held in pubs if they don't want to.Why do the companies advertise in the first place, to get people to drink. Every social occassion is held at a pub ( at least around here where I live) we dont stand a chance, with booze all around us.What do people do who want to give up drinking? Not a hope!!
Nobody is forced to attend functions that are held in pubs if they don't want to.
Of course there are choices. If people decide to hold these events on licensed premises then that's their prerogative. If some people don't like the idea then they are free to do otherwise. In all cases nobody is obliged to attend these events.casiopea said:Swallows didnt say he/she was forced to attend or that anyone is forced to attend, he/she said that that every social occasion takes place in a pub, (I assume birthdays, parties, work events etc) basically that there is no choice or at least the choice is pub or not socialize with friends/family/work peers at all (which is a bit extreme).
Not quite supermarkets (yet) but there are many Muslim run stores that stock a wide range of groceries and obviously don't sell alcohol in case that's of any use.Just out of interest, are there supermarkets in Ireland that dont sell alcohol? In switzerland there are supermarkets that sell alcohol (like at home) and then there is also a large chain that doesnt sell or advertise alcohol so you have a choice which one you want to shop in.
Nobody is forced to attend functions that are held in pubs if they don't want to.
As opposed to what other sense!?MugsGame said:True in a literal sense
MugsGame said:....and I don't think increased regulation would help....
Maybe we should lobby for legislation to control/circumscribe "social pressure" so? Or people could just exercise their freedom of choice...MugsGame said:True in the literal sense that nobody physically forces you to go to the pub or to consume alcohol while you are there. But there is a lot of social pressure to go. Opting out of that marks you as a weirdo in many circles. Doesn't bother me, since people with those attitudes are generally the people I don't care to connect with anyway. But I can see how people could feel forced to drink by that social pressure.
Supermarkets normally restrict the stocking/sale of alcohol to one area of the store which can easily be avoided by those who so choose. If alcohol is displayed in different parts of the store then complain to the management and ask them to keep it all in one place. Most stores also have "no alcohol" checkout lanes. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy alcohol or anything else that they don't want to buy in any supermarket.casiopea said:The supermarket example, being able to go out and shop with your family and not have alcohol and alcohol offers thrown at you.
I happen to think alot of people have a problem. Some people have a problem when you compare us against ourselves but contrast our drinking to other countries and/or definitions of binge drinking and I'd say most people drink too much. Thankfully, I don't think I'm one of them, certainly not by our standards. The only point I'm trying to make is that drink destroys many, many lives in many different ways yet it's sold everywhere, advertised everywhere, promoted everywhere in ways which I think are irresponsible. You keep talking about personal choice, and I agree with you, but it's naive to think that constantly forcing people to make that choice isn't going to result in people drinking when maybe they ordinarily wouldn't. What about cigarettes? Do you think that if fags were advertised and promoted in the way drink is there would be no more people smoking? And please don't tell me drink is not addictive because it is.ClubMan said:Yes. That's why I said some people have a problem but many could deal with this through choice. Self confessed overindulgers (like Chamar for example) as opposed to addicted alcoholics was what I had in mind.
Nobody is forced to attend functions that are held in pubs if they don't want to.
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