Would have been my intuitive reaction too....but I'm looking at that again. As for maintenance, I'd agree with that and, in that regard , I hope to be of help to them in the future. Unfortunately it's become ever more difficult to do anything on cars these days...and I'm well skilled in DIY .Everyone should be made to learn in a manual, imho.
Sure, there's more involved, but it's a life skill, it's as important as ensuring that everyone learns a few of the basics about car maintenance.
Even if you plan on driving an EV, you'd never know when you may need to operate a manual vehicle, perhaps even in an emergency situation....
Yes very true.Unfortunately it's become ever more difficult to do anything on cars these days...and I'm well skilled in DIY
This is a great starting point for me. Thanks so much for your input. Was the car you bought more than 10 years old? I haven't had an individual car policy ...ever. I had a succession of commercial policies. I ran a prospective quote search on Aviva and for a 2013 ford fiesta zetec , 1.2 , 60hp and with 3 points they had €485 for me. That's do-able and then add in the lessons etc. €575 I'd say a pretty good deal . No available lessons in Dublin with auto car, however they have some in other provincial locations, I notice.That's great info for me , thanks
I personally think this is not a good idea. I think it’s going to take most learners more practice to become proficient enough at driving a manual to pass the testPresumably the student will take their mandatory driving school lessons in a manual car. These lessons might give them sufficient practice at clutch and gears contoll.
They could get plenty of general driving and road skills in the family automatic.
Aviva do an offer when you take the mandatory lessons through their driving school, they offer a period of free learner insurance if your car is insured with them.
The driving school manual car can be used for the test.
Thanks for that. Interesting. 495 for lessons only, I take it. But will she get her supervised practice in one of the EV's ? So how much to get her on that policy? And then presume she'll use the driving school auto for the test, or can you do the test in an EV ?We have 2 EV’s, ourselves. and daughter is waiting for learner permitt to arrive, and then She will start driving lessons via Axa - Irish School of motoring in an automatic car. They provide 12 lessons for €495, but automatic is only available in a handful of locations. One is near us.
Once she finishes those, she can get “up to” €400 off, Insurance in her own name, with Axa.
We have decided it will be an EV for her, as she can charge at home for free (to her !).
Have priced up several EV’s for her, and the insurance pricing depends on the class of car, so Nissan Leaf models vary up to €2,500 for insurance without the driving course completed(so before discount) but some other EV’s are cheaper, still checking out options. A VW E up, for example is €1,500, before completing course, but its outside her budget.
Automatic cars are now easily available globally wether it be for car hire on holidays etc, so i don’t consider this an obstacle at all, also, all new models have automatic options, including used models, so i think its correct to say, things have changed considerably.
Yeah, OK , I see your reasoning there. EV may be in our future, but not for us yet.She can do the test in her car of she wants.
What i was thinking of doing is to get her through the lessons as step 1), then, she buys an EV, and while on a learner permitt, any accompanied driver with a full licence can drive it free of charge, only while she is on a learner permitt, she can practice away in her EV, accompanied of course, then sit the test it it, when she is ready.
It is a safety thing for leaner driver permitt to enable any full licence driver take over if they get stressed etc.
While getting lessons, i was going to take her into quiet car parks etc, off main roads for practice in my car.
I called Axa and got all this info, they were very helpful:
The Axa deal applies to all cars, so check it out, Aviva also have a similar deal for learner drivers, but it excludes automatic cars, and yes, we are well setup for EV’s, i’d never go back, we also have solar pv, so we generate more than our annual electricity needs, for both house and EV car needs, so its a total no brainer, to have her in an EV.Yeah, OK , I see your reasoning there. EV may be in our future, but not for us yet.
It's not a given that lessons are taken in a manual. Some of my wife's younger work colleagues have opted for the auto option. This was news to me, so that's what started the curiosity of auto V manual for learner in a changing environment. I realise and accept that there are environmental moral issues with a 2 car option. I take responsibility for that. The small second car will continue to be used so it will happen. Thanks for the insurance info. I'm gonna be looking for input on that soon on another thread.
Lots of small engine ,low HP cars are available as autos. Many with very good safety and trim spec etc. Things that were in luxury cars say, 10 to 15 years ago are standard in many recent model small cars.
[Forget about manuals that day is over cars will be self driving in 10-20 years, hassle for no benefit.
You are so right. Reading these posts made me think of this. Last week I was at the Museum of the Future in Dubai. Included was the ‘current’ inventions. Driverless cars. The police have them with humanoid robots currently. Flying taxis are being introduced next year.
Why would they be faced with needing to drive a manual? Easily avoided, get with the times, even forget about driverless cars if you are that worried about them evs don't have gears either, why anyone would push a youngster to learn in a manual to acquire that life skill is beyond me. Presume wood chopping, milk churning and others will also be on the agenda?Amazing how some people here know that we'll be in driverless cars, or automatics etc. in the next 10-20 years.
I wonder if those same people could tell me what the winning numbers will be, for next week's Euromillions?
Also, what are "drivers" who don't know how to drive a vehicle with a gear stick going to do, if they are faced with needing to operate a vehicle with a gear stick, before robots take over the world and very kindly drive us everywhere that we want to go ?
This is a great starting point for me. Thanks so much for your input. Was the car you bought more than 10 years old? I haven't had an individual car policy ...ever. I had a succession of commercial policies. I ran a prospective quote search on Aviva and for a 2013 ford fiesta zetec , 1.2 , 60hp and with 3 points they had €485 for me. That's do-able and then add in the lessons etc. €575 I'd say a pretty good deal . No available lessons in Dublin with auto car, however they have some in other provincial locations, I notice.
Anyway, I'm leaning back towards the manual...particularly as most, if not all cars, have hill hold assistance.
Thanks @ shweeney
Why bother teaching the youngster maths, sure everyone has a calculator in their pocket these days.Why would they be faced with needing to drive a manual? Easily avoided, get with the times, even forget about driverless cars if you are that worried about them evs don't have gears either, why anyone would push a youngster to learn in a manual to acquire that life skill is beyond me. Presume wood chopping, milk churning and others will also be on the agenda?