Wonder why they could not simply have said "no payment needed thanks" rather than inserting the "if you couldn't afford it" rider? On the other hand these sort of financial dealings are obviously a matter for the parties involved and ultimately no business of mine as a non member of the organizations involved.On every occasion the priests ( there were three separate priests, Irish and French) were at pains to point out that payment was not obligatory, that if we couldn't afford it we had no need to pay anything.
No - my specific criticism of fortune tellers etc. was not meant to imply that I thought that religious were any better.The Catholic Church promises eternal salvation, are you telling me they can deliver?
We've had five Christenings, no payment sought nor tendered, although I have no problem with any suggestion for voluntary donations; after all, it costs money to run any organization and who better than it's members to fund it. Indeed AAM has a 'Support Askaboutmoney.com! [Make a Donation]' tag at the end of each page, but I am untroubled by this.Wonder why they could not simply have said "no payment needed thanks" rather than inserting the "if you couldn't afford it" rider?
Yeah - but at least with AAM you get something tangible for your money or for free if you choose not to donate - and not just promises of a better hereafter etc.Indeed AAM has a 'Support Askaboutmoney.com! [Make a Donation]' tag at the end of each page, but I am untroubled by this.
No - my specific criticism of fortune tellers etc. was not meant to imply that I thought that religious were any better.
I'm sure that such people exist but I don't necessarily see any evidence that there are any here on this thread. Perhaps a bit of post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning on your part there? Or simply a good old ad hominem attack?
Why should beliefs based on blind faith and deliberate shunning of logic and reason necessarily and automatically be afforded "respect"? Personally I believe that anti-scientific beliefs deserve quite
the opposite and are fundamentally dangerous.
Fair enough - as far as I know the only contentious term that I used was "brainwashed" but this was simply an accurate description of the case in point and not used just to cause controversy in spite of you finding it "disrespectful".This does not mean that I feel religion/church/atheism shouldnt be challenged. It should, in a respectful manner. Phrases like "useless"/"twaddle" are not respectful nor good debate.
Fair enough - as far as I know the only contentious term that I used was "brainwashed" but this was simply an accurate description of the case in point and not used just to cause controversy in spite of you finding it "disrespectful".
Yes - but some argue that religious indoctrination of children (who are not in a position to make an informed decision) itself is fundamentally a mistreatment or abuse.The mistreatment of any child by any institution is the highest form of betrayal - I think you'll find we'll all agree on that!
Yes - but some argue that religious indoctrination of children (who are not in a position to make an informed decision) itself is fundamentally a mistreatment or abuse.
Yeah - but at least with AAM you get something tangible for your money or for free if you choose not to donate - and not just promises of a better hereafter etc.
I don't know how much they are paid but I know it's not a fortune. I wouldn't begrudge them voluntary contributions.
Yeah - but at least with AAM you get something tangible for your money or for free if you choose not to donate - and not just promises of a better hereafter etc.
Clubman - can you quantify the tangible 'something' people get from AAM ? I don't doubt that it's a 'good', but I can't measure it, I can't weigh it, I can't value it, I can't see it . . . does it exist ?
Would it be good and bad advice, help getting through some of lifes complications, a sense of community and shared values, advice on how to deal with issues, etc . . . a little like some of the ancilliary functions which members of various churches receive perhaps.
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I guess you can measure it indirectly - e.g.Clubman - can you quantify the tangible 'something' people get from AAM ? I don't doubt that it's a 'good', but I can't measure it, I can't weigh it, I can't value it, I can't see it . . . does it exist ?
That too - except usually without the bias or constraints imposed by a rigid belief system involving mystical beings and other associated hocus pocus and mumbo jumbo.Would it be good and bad advice, help getting through some of lifes complications, a sense of community and shared values, advice on how to deal with issues, etc
Fair enough - as far as I know the only contentious term that I used was "brainwashed" but this was simply an accurate description of the case in point and not used just to cause controversy in spite of you finding it "disrespectful".
That too - except usually without the bias or constraints imposed by a rigid belief system involving mystical beings and other associated hocus pocus and mumbo jumbo.
I am not talking about respecting Catholicism/Catholic Church or any religion. I am talking about respecting the fact that people are different and practice different things and have the right to even if someone else think its a mistake. This does not mean that I feel religion/church/atheism shouldnt be challenged. It should, in a respectful manner. Phrases like "useless"/"twaddle" are not respectful nor good debate.
You said earlier when challenged by casiopeaabout being disrepectful
I don't think it necessarily disrespectful to call religion mumbo jumbo - that's ClubMan's belief. If I mentioned I believed in fairies and elves people nobody would feel the need to tip-toe around it, or make believe there was some kind of credibility to my claim.
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