No, we've been told that cars have been stopped doing this. We have not been told that drivers have been fined or prosecuted.
You love playing with words Purple. I have edited my original reply now to clarify I was not calling overtaking a manouevre!
The point is that we have been told this has happened, even on this thread (and in other threads previously). I agree as it happens that the notion is stupid but I would not be prepared to make the argument you are making that it cannot be deemed overtaking/undertaking because I had not changed lanes.
1 - You must always overtake on the right.
2 - Passing a car to its left is only acceptable when the traffic situation dictates (slow moving traffic has been mentioned above but I would add into this heavy traffic conditions traveling at up to the speed limit where you maintain the speed of your lane rather than perform the more dangerous manoeuver of changing lanes).
3 - It is correct to travel in left most lane of a multi-lane highways (dual carriage ways, motorways, etc.) not including the hard shoulder.
4 - Motorway driving requires awareness of the road and traffic conditions around you (left, right, front and behind) including such things as upcoming junctions, merging traffic and traffic traveling on other lanes.
5 - Being securely surrounded by a metal box does not exclude you from showing common courtesy to those around you (would you cut off that other person; push in front of them; block their path or wave rude gestures at them if you were both pedestrians on a pavement?).
I agree 100%
Ahhh.... now it all becomes clear.....
I think the prolonged debate within this thread is actually a result of the same point being argued from different directions.
It could be people not really reading what's being written.
I've been making that point (about it being safer and legal staying where you are rather than moving across three lanes and back again) for ages (and pages).
I think the prolonged debate within this thread is actually a result of the same point being argued from different directions.
You mean some were talking about going to Naas and others were talking about going to Dublin?
All I know is that I’m having great fun posting on this thread
You could have the purple car seeing as you're central to the story being the worst bad driver on here.
Huh? I'd like to know the rules of the road, and my knowledge is getting worse with each posting. To figure out this thread the other day I had to take a piece of paper and draw cars on it, put in 3 lanes and the middle bit and work out the side of the road and who drive where and in what direction. My kids have a carpet road thingy that you play pretend drivers on, that would probably have worked better but it doesn't have motorways nor dual carriageways. But it would have felt more real as I found it hard going working it all out on paper. Paper is fine for figures but not so much good for understanding driving.
Legally - A
What we should do - Lane 1 -> Lane 2 (Flash lights twice) -> Lane 3 (quick beep) -> Lane 2 -> Lane 1 (Look in rear view mirror and see driver look confused while continuing in Lane 2)
Oh Dear God............here we go again............
Purple have you even read what has been posted previously????
If you have, (and I strongly suspect you have) how can you possibly claim what you do is legal???
Overtake only on the right, unless traffic is travelling in slow moving queues and the traffic queue on your right is travelling more slowly than you are.
If you intend to move from a slower lane to a faster lane, adjust your speed first.
Before you start to overtake, remember 'mirror, signal, mirror, manoeuvre', and look in your blind spots. Check that the way is clear (behind and ahead) and signal well in advance.
Take your kids carpet road thingie and place the purple car in the left most lane (the driving lane). Imagine that car is travelling at 95kmph.
Place another car in the middle lane, that car can be any colour.
Now imagine the car in the middle lane is moving slowly, say at 80kmph. I know they shouldn’t be there but they are.
There’s other cars on the road, but not too many, so place a few cars in the right most lane as well. Imagine they are driving at 100kmph.
Now, the purple car catches up with the slow moving car in the middle lane. What does the driver do?
Does he;
a) Continue to drive along in his lane at 95kmph, passing the car in the middle lane.
I’m arguing that option A is safer and legal.
I don’t think making unnecessary manoeuvres, i.e. changing lanes 4 times, is the safest option.
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#scoobydoo aka Subaru
Now tell me, if everything above talks about changing lanes in the context of overtaking, and specifically states that you are performing a manoeuvre when you are overtaking, telling you to “remember 'mirror, signal, mirror, manoeuvre'”... why do you still insist that staying in the lane you are in and driving within the speed limit constitutes overtaking? Your whole argument is constructed on a false premise.
Jeez Purple you're like a dog with a bone! Why, oh why would any website give you instructions on how to overtake where no manoeuvre is required? Don't you understand that everything you are reading is intended as a guideline on how to safely overtake where a manoeuvre is required? What would be the point of giving guidelines to overtake by simply remaining in your lane? "Keep driving straight ahead, yes that's it, go on keep going, ok now you have overtaken that car, keep going..."! Show me any legal definition of overtaking stating that overtaking only occurs where changing lanes is required and I will gladly eat humble pie but stop quoting guidelines on how to overtake safely as if they are a definition of overtaking.
How to overtake safely
Make sure the road ahead is clear so you have enough distance to allow you to overtake and get back to your own side of the road without forcing any other road user to move to avoid you.
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