Appealing penalty points: 2 penalty points & €80 fine for not stopping at "STOP".

[GuitarDave]

Ah here we go the moral police strike again.

So Lionstour, next time you stop at a red light but have your front wheels slightly over the line, don't forget to drop by the copshop and report your motoring offence.

 

[johnjoda]

reading through the above, it explains why road traffic legislation is the most contested legislation in irish courts.

It never fails to surprise me the number of people who admit that they have broken the law and committed a traffic offence, but who do not accept the penalty and subsequently seek to get off on some administrative technicality or other.

Why not accept that you have committed an offence, accept the points and change your driver behaviour in future?

+1

 

[GuitarDave]

OP, were you actually stopped and pulled over at the time of this offence? If not then I'm sure you'd have a strong enough argument to get off as:
1. The reg on the letter is wrong
2. The address on the letter is wrong
3. Without having actually stopped you how could they be sure it was even you driving at the time.

 

[horusd]

Reading through the above, it explains why road traffic legislation is the most contested legislation in Irish courts.

It never fails to surprise me the number of people who admit that they have broken the law and committed a traffic offence, but who do not accept the penalty and subsequently seek to get off on some administrative technicality or other.

Why not accept that you have committed an offence, accept the points and change your driver behaviour in future?

+1. The reg no and address are irrelevant unless it wasn't you the Gardai caught, and that doesn't seem to be in dispute. Take the points,pay the fine.

 

[csirl]

1. The reg on the letter is wrong

You could go into court and point this out, but the Judge may say that it's obvious its you and proceed. Alternatively, they could re-issue the summons with the correct details and you'll be back in court at a later date.

2. The address on the letter is wrong

You got the letter, so the address must be close enough to be sure its you. Anyway, postal addresses in Ireland seem to be a moveable feast - we're all familiar with instances of people on the same street using different suburb names in Dublin (because one is posher than the other) and even wrong post codes etc. In country areas, Townlands seemed to be interchangeable in many addresses.

3. Without having actually stopped you how could they be sure it was even you driving at the time.

They put cameras on some Stop sign junctions nowdays, so there is a real danger that the Gardai will simply play a video of the incident in Court.

 

[GuitarDave]

You could go into court and point this out, but the Judge may say that it's obvious its you and proceed. Alternatively, they could re-issue the summons with the correct details and you'll be back in court at a later date.



You got the letter, so the address must be close enough to be sure its you. Anyway, postal addresses in Ireland seem to be a moveable feast - we're all familiar with instances of people on the same street using different suburb names in Dublin (because one is posher than the other) and even wrong post codes etc. In country areas, Townlands seemed to be interchangeable in many addresses.



They put cameras on some Stop sign junctions nowdays, so there is a real danger that the Gardai will simply play a video of the incident in Court.

Yep. All fair points.