It is also safe to assume that many people voted no based on false comments from Veritas and Sinn Fein.
Sounds like a reasonable prediction to me.
Off topic but I thought it funny that the christian shops got a mention!
2) The reaction of Europe to our NO has made it clear that the message put out by the Ref Commission that NO simply meant things would stay as they were was irresponsibly naive.
3) All 26 others will have gone on to ratify. We didn't stop the train. Clearly if we persist with NO we are going to have to get off the train.
4) And what about the credit crunch and the bank guarantees etc. etc.? We need the EU big time more than ever to prevent us going the way of Iceland.
Would you be happy with a third vote or a fourth? At what point would you call a No a No? Yes, we were asked to vote on other things more than once but after a considerable period of time or after a general election (Nice II). The No result was barely in when the Government were scheming on how to get around it. For the same matter to be put to the people 'for final decision' twice in the same parliamentary period is unprecedented and unacceptable.It is democracy, we are being asked to vote again, not being told that we have to vote Yes. Nobody should complain that you actually have the choice to vote on something. We were asked to vote on other things twice before because peoples opinions change.
I voted No based on the treaty, not to give the Government a kick. I don't know anyone who voted No to kick the Government. I think your assessment is wrong.NorthDrum said:It is reasonable to assume that many many people voted no more as a kick in the head for the government rather then not agreeing with the treaty itself. . . It was a vote mainly on the government, anybody who thinks anything else is delusional.
This is Yes or No to a treaty not to the EU. Either you are scaremongering or you don't know what you're talking about.Wonder if the EU went ahead and we were left on our own, how many people would look for another referendum to get back into it! Im not scarmongering . .
Interesting. I think that there will be a second No and that Libertas will become a force but I don't see any dividend for Shinners. My preference is for an EU about fair trade and ease of travel (more EEC than EU) rather than the Federal State path we're on at the moment.Despite their protestations, a second referendum will play into the hands of the No camp. Watch Libertas win at least 2 seats in Ireland in the Euro elections next June. And watch a panicked Fianna Fail dump Brian Cowen in advance of an October referendum. And watch them lose the second referendum anyway. By that stage, Ganley and co will be serious players, and even a washed-up Sinn Fein will unfortunately be revitalised.
I voted No based on the treaty, not to give the Government a kick. I don't know anyone who voted No to kick the Government. I think your assessment is wrong.
You think a lot didn't vote? This was a big turnout: 175,000 more people voted compared to Nice II.Maybe not but i think alot either voted no because if in doubt boot it out or just didn't vote because they didn't understand the treaty.
You think a lot didn't vote? This was a big turnout: 175,000 more people voted compared to Nice II.
That is a silly pointIf there was a yes vote in the first referendum, would we be asked to vote again, "just in case we were confused the first time"? I think we all know the answer to that one !!It is government policy to support this Treaty. There are many many situations where a government has had to try twice or more to get its policies through. For example, legislation originally rejected by the US Congress or by the UK House of Lords. In our case the constitutional hurdle was a referendum, but if the government really has any principles it must try and even try again to get its policy over this hurdle.
Having got a policy accepted there should never be any question of "well let's see if we would win that again".
This is Yes or No to a treaty not to the EU. Either you are scaremongering or you don't know what you're talking about.
What about the French, the Dutch, and the other poor oppressed people of Europe 'denied' a voice over this? Well, last time I checked, they didn't seem to care much.
When we become one of the biggest exporters of oil and gas in the world, with enough cash in the bank that we can wipe our ar*es with tenners , we can start comparing ourselves to Norway, until then Iceland would be a closer comparison.Re 3: What say you to a "two track" or "twin speed" Europe? Like Miley used to say in the Kilmeadan ad - "all the taste, none of the waste" - obvously I dont know this for a fact but maybe its worth thinking about. Just how out in the cold would we be??, look at Norway which isnt even part of the EU but signs up to every agreement, is pretty much "compatable", to use an IT word, with the rest of the EU.
There's very little the Irish government can do about the recession, despite what Labour/SF/SIPTU claim. In fact their only input so far (raise income tax and VAT) will probably make it worseI am concerned that the government is going to devote huge time, energy and resources in getting the "yes" this time and take their focus off the spiralling economy.
It must be a long time since you checked. In the meantime the French & the Dutch have both voted in referenda to reject this project.
We are talking about the Lisbon treaty as an issue.
When we become one of the biggest exporters of oil and gas in the world, with enough cash in the bank that we can wipe our ar*es with tenners , we can start comparing ourselves to Norway, until then Iceland would be a closer comparison.
Indeed, but is there any real difference between this and the aborted EU Constitution as rejected by the French & Dutch electorates against the will of both their respective political establishments?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?