25,000 euro for plumbing new build?

I'm waiting at the moment for a plumbers quote to come back to me and after reading this post I think if he hasn't already put everything on the quote in detail I will be asking him to. It's hard to be an expert in every area so you are trusting thier advise and hoping that they would be reasonable with price and not robbing you blindly.

I would persume it would be acceptable to hold back some money for 6 months to a year to ensure that all plumbing was working OK? As if you move in during the summer you may not have tested the heating system out fully. What would others think?

Sorry Spicey to hear about this, it's hard finding honest people to do an honest days work
 
Pinky&dBrain said:
I would persume it would be acceptable to hold back some money for 6 months to a year to ensure that all plumbing was working OK? As if you move in during the summer you may not have tested the heating system out fully. What would others think?
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You would persume wrongly. You would need to draw up a contract and include a retainer clause in it. Best of luck getting a business to sign it.

Your best bet is to use a reputable company that will honour a 1 year guarantee.
 
Thanks DavyJones, I kinda thought as much. It's just you never know until you truely test it out before problems arise.

Also just wondering DavyJones if you are going with a 3 heated system, does solar panels work well with solid fuel. I am planning on putting in oil + rads and a multifuel stove to heat the rad and hot water but that when the stove is on the oil cuts out so that I am not using both. Solar panels will just heat hot water, would I need a triple coil cyclinder for this? Also fitting TRV to rads, putting in zoning for 2 areas, not sure what size tank will be needed but my plumber is working this out along with the btu for the stove. Is there any other suggestions that you would recommend or anything I'm looking past?

Thanks for advise all appreciated
 
Soalr panels are on a completely different circuit to your home heating. See it as a stand alone system. you will need a triple coil cylinder. Each heat source = one coil in cylinder. Cylinder size probably 300L.

Are you going for a pressurised plumbing system?
you could save money by fitting a copper cylinder as opposed to a stainless stain one.
 
Haven't thought about a pressurised plumbing system? Not really well up on it does this mean having a combination boiler?
 
No.
It means either pressurising the cylinder by the mains water supply = no tank in attic.
or
Havin a tank in attic feeding cylinder, after cylinder a pump would be fitted pumping hot and cold water through system. you would have high pressure at all outlets, Shower, wash hand basins, bath etc.

you would have to use a stainless steel cylinder for opt 1but could use a copper cylinder for opt 2.
 
When anyone tells me "I'll look after you" - get worried. We got caught like that also with a wall & it was a lesson well learned - always get a quote! I was disgusted with myself that I'd been ripped off - a neighbour no less!!
Re-negotiate!!!
 
Hi Spicy

I say be brave, call him in, ask him for an detailed breakdown of the price. Write to him if you feel you wouldn't be up to a face to face confrontation. You were overcharged. If you get him to knock even a few thousand off you'll feel better about yourself.

Can't believe there are still cowboys like him around??
 
Thanks DavyJones for you reply will consider option 2 and will discuss with my plumber.

Apologies to Spicey for interrupting your thread, trying not to get caught out so keeping myself informed. I wonder could you take that guy to the small claims court or threaten a solicitor on him perhaps it may frighten him into reducing his price.
 
€15,500 inc vat for 253m² house
3 zoned heating
Oil boiler, oil tank
15 rads with 13 TRV's, 2 no towel rad
Copper gas line from garage to kitchen
Insulated heating pipe from garage to kitchen
Potable water tank with 4.5bar pump in garage
Water softner
All soils fitted
All sanitary ware fitted
Solid fuel stove fitted

Not included
Solar system with 320l, 3 coil cylinded=€6000 installed
 
316sqm UFH in basement, GF, FF, and garage, and plumbed to rads in attic (for future conv), Vaillant Ecotec 30Kw gas boiler, 1000L 4-coil buffer tank, 3 x solar panels. Total Cost 31k.

Compared to that, your cost is very high.
 
Spicey said:
Well now don't all laugh at once but we never got a quote!

He had done some work for my husband and said he would "look after us" on the house! Well he looked after us alright. The first invoice for 1st fix was just less than 10,000. When this was questioned he said that 1st fix was always the dearest ie. laying pipes etc. Then the second invoice arrived for the 2nd fix and was for over 10,000 - again this was questioned. I asked if that was the total and was told that there would be another invoice for his so called "3rd fix" which would be about 1,200 - 1,500 euro. This bill has turned out to be 6,500 euro!
The other issue we have is that after paying all this money we will be left with an unsatisfactory job!
For example
1. One radiator does not get hot if the 2 zones are on ie. it only gets hot if one zone is on. He claimed that we should only be turning on one zone at a time!!
2. We have a toilet that is not filling or flushing properly.
3. Two of the three shower trays overflow. One cannot be used at all it is so bad. The trays and doors are being blamed.
4. The hot water takes forever to reach the end of the line.
etc. etc. etc.
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First of all, if there's no contract, and no price agreed, then you stop paying any money right now. As sure as a contract protects the purchaser (you) it protects the vendor (plumber). The absence of one means as sure he can't pursue you, either. Especially if, as you say, the work isn't up to scratch.

Sorry for you trouble, but I'm the wringer with my plumber/builder too, and have just had my 'day out' with builder for round 1. (which he lost, btw......)
 
i feel sorry for you and ashamed of fellow tradesmen you have really been conned. if your ethics allow, dont pay any more,get a reputable plumber to snag and put right, have plumber hike bill, add pain and suffering, present to previous plumber, may have insurance , threaten to find out same, he could lose his insurance due to shoddy work. as for the tiles it sounds like they will all have to come up as the wrong adhesive was used, did tiler, tile shop or local hardware provide same. is you porc black.ps what part of country
 
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Spicey
This sounds like the same guy as a friend of mine.
Can you pm me there name - so I can warn them off.
Cheers
 
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