St. Nicolaus was a actually a bishop, wasn't he, so I'd guess yes /though not by the vatican, obviously/.
Why is he chosen by the vatican too?
If me or you interferred with/abused children, be it now or 30 years ago, and were duscivered, we would be arrested immediately and get a well deserved prison sentence for a very long time.
So can someone please explain why we aren't seeing loads of clergymen being arrested on the news and gets banged up??
This is baffling me at the minute.
The RC Church is a continuation of the Roman Empire and should be seen in that context. It acts as if its word was law (in the secular sense) and has all the corruption of age old unquestioned power while failing to realise that time has left it behind.
But what do you expect from a member of the Hitler Jugend who protected concentration camps and protected people rounding up Jews?
..which would have nothing to do with whether the pope can resign or not...I don't see your point?.do you by any chance believe in Santa as well?
I think that's completely irrelevant, surely you don't want to start muddying the waters on this by starting off some discussion about what he did or didn't do when he was in Hitler Jugend (as most German boys were at that time).
St. Nicolaus was a actually a bishop, wasn't he, so I'd guess yes /though not by the vatican, obviously/.
If me or you interferred with/abused children, be it now or 30 years ago, and were duscivered, we would be arrested immediately and get a well deserved prison sentence for a very long time.
So can someone please explain why we aren't seeing loads of clergymen being arrested on the news and gets banged up??
This is baffling me at the minute.
Sorry I had presumed you were speaking of the mythical figure 'Santa'
If the Papal Nuncio exhorts Irish people to disobey state law, his employer should be asked to account. Then, if there is no result from the Vatican, the PN should be expelled, the Vatican once again asked to recant their earlier directives and, if no joy, be ostracised as a rogue state. A little freeing up of it's vast landbanks, moneymaking activities and an end to it's tax concession would concentrate it's mind a little and/or kill two birds with the one stone.I have said in another post that I think we should expel the Papal Nuncio and break off diplomatic relations with the Vatican since they instructed Irish citizens to hold its laws as paramount and therefore to ignore the law of this land, in this country, when dealing with criminal acts. The Vatican is now a hostile state and should be treated accordingly.
They should be locked up forever but as can be seen from the continued list of weekly cases of abuse from non clergy men that have committed horrendous crimes against children, the actual punishment is lame.
Men and women who commit these crimes should see life imprisonment as their punishment at the very least, but it is often almost as galling as reading about the abuse as it is to read about the short jail terms that are handed out.
Sorry I had presumed you were speaking of the mythical figure 'Santa' rather than Nicholas who was indeed a real person.
True and its unfortunate that any power was and is used by the church to aid its members, there is no logical reason as to why the Gardai don't do this, so the question should be put to them as the power ultimatly lies with the State.Thanks for the reply but it still doesn't answer my question.
If my name was published or mentioned as being a child abuser, the guards would be straight round my door, arresting me.
So why isn't this happening on a daily basis to priests, bishops etc?
Yes the Vatican state that he is Gods representative on earth, that is of no interest to me, but the Pope is chosen by the vatican. I don't see any difference between elected and chosen.strictly speaking both ...
first of all - a pope isn't God's representative on Earth - never heard of God claiming he's a Catholic so unless we have a signed testimony from above, any pope is just a head of the Catholic Church and the highest state representative of the Vatican. that said, he is a political and diplomatic figure, nothing else.
the motives behind an election of a pope have less to do with their holiness and more with their : age, ranking, suitability of ideas /wasn't Ratzi chosen because he is particularly arch-conservative/ etc. ...
that said, a pope is not chosen, he is elected and can resign ...
St. Nicholas was at the beginning of the Santa legend though I'd have my doubts there were actually any alcoholic reindeer in Turkey at the time and the tradition to start a mass with Ho Ho Ho surely did not become popular.
first of all - a pope isn't God's representative on Earth - never heard of God claiming he's a Catholic so unless we have a signed testimony from above, any pope is just a head of the Catholic Church and the highest state representative of the Vatican. that said, he is a political and diplomatic figure, nothing else.
that said, a pope is not chosen, he is elected and can resign ...
If my name was published or mentioned as being a child abuser, the guards would be straight round my door, arresting me.
So why isn't this happening on a daily basis to priests, bishops etc?
True and its unfortunate that any power was and is used by the church to aid its members, there is no logical reason as to why the Gardai don't do this, so the question should be put to them as the power ultimatly lies with the State.
Yes the Vatican state that he is Gods representative on earth, that is of no interest to me, but the Pope is chosen by the vatican. I don't see any difference between elected and chosen.
chosen sounds more .... hm ... let's say, as if really given the office by divine powers ...
vatican is no divine power, it's a community of elderly diplomats ..
however, if someone is elected, then surely he can resign?
Whatever about our choice of words, i would imagine he sees it as a blessing and not a job, so resignation is not on the cards.