Impending Coup:Trade Unions are talking tough about taking down the government.

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Looks like the unions are talking tough about taking down the government.

I would personally have a problem with this if I was paying their wages.

There's 81 deputies in leinster house who can continue as a democratically elected government for the next 2.5 years if they so wish, and there's nothing the unions can do about that.
 
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'General secretary of the secondary teachers' union ASTI, John White, said unions have become “entirely alienated” from the Government ..'
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.. and reality :rolleyes:
 
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Was thinking that myself. They are perfectly free to come out and say their members will not vote for them at the next election but for them to come out and basically admit they will try and bring down this Government through a campaign of sneaky industrial action is outrageous. TD's of all parties should come out and condemn the Unions for this.
 
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I would welcome a coup for many reasons.
impending DNA Database and far too much government
interference, corruption. Ireland is very far from free.
Not to mention the fact the government has destroyed Ireland and its future.

However, I certainly would not back a Union led coup.
They're worse.
 
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The people can bring down this Government anytime they wish by taking to the streets. Thats not the Unions are suggesting though.

Wonder could we introduce internment for them!!

Can't believe it is actually a bank union leader that came out with this as well after this Government saved the system and all his members jobs.
 
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DerKaiser said:
There's 81 deputies in leinster house who can continue as a democratically elected government for the next 2.5 years if they so wish, and there's nothing the unions can do about that.
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There is a requirment under the constitution of ireland that there is at least one TD for every 20,000 - 30,000 people in the country so therefore a minimum of 141 TD's required for the Dáil to function.

If "someone" manages or convinces a number of TDs to resign in protest at the current Government, then By-Elections or best/worst case scenario a General Election must be called.
 
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What started as union resistance to pay cuts may well turn into a battle about who runs the country. Socialism and democracy don't last long in bed with each other so I'd have to back democracy.
 
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Purely tactical , one of the things that truly terrifies politicians is a concerted campaign to ensure that a section of the electorate are urged not to vote for their party.
We are going to hear a lot more of this in the media and indeed about what form of industrial action may or may not take place over the next couple of months .
 
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Don't think it matters who gets in, they would all of done the same last week.
 
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RonanC said:
There is a requirment under the constitution of ireland that there is at least one TD for every 20,000 - 30,000 people in the country so therefore a minimum of 141 TD's required for the Dáil to function.

If "someone" manages or convinces a number of TDs to resign in protest at the current Government, then By-Elections or best/worst case scenario a General Election must be called.
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I'm sure a sufficient number of bye-elections would be called immediately in the event of protest resignations reducing the number of TDs to that level
 
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Sunny said:
Can't believe it is actually a bank union leader that came out with this as well after this Government saved the system and all his members jobs.
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Good observation. I'm really confused as to what Larry Broderick's beef is?
 
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"Speaking ahead of a meeting of Ictu’s executive council in Dublin today general secretary of the Irish Bank Officials' Association Larry Broderick said the unions’ strategy “has to be at taking this Government out of power”.

Is it not a tad ironic that the IBOA are proposing this since the banks by inflating the property bubble to bursting point are the main cause of the mess we are in as an economy. We are rescuing his members' employers through NAMA, a horse that is going to be still running over hurdles for at least 10 years, and our taxes. I accept he only represents the bank officials (though who were incentivized to lend, lend, lend!), but, a substantial number of his members benefitted through pay hikes, bonuses and share deals during the Celtic Tiger. I know of some of his members who earned substantial profits selling BOI and AIB shares when they were trading near peak values or beginning to slide.

A little bit of remorse and humility from the banks would be better PR for Mr Broderick.
 
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The unions are only democratic to their own members. They tell none union members what to do e.g. picket lines. They do not have a mandate to say how the country is run, as they only represent their own, their numbers are few compared to an elected TD
 
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DerKaiser said:
I'm sure a sufficient number of bye-elections would be called immediately in the event of protest resignations reducing the number of TDs to that level
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Ireland is doomed to be a sickly member of the 'developed' world as long as the vast majority of our TDs are parish-pump merchants. And as such, they are very susceptible to pressure from vested interest groups like ICTU.
Most TDs realise what we need to do to sustain a health society and economy i.e.
-Introduce radical electoral reform - retain PR, but based on single seat constituencies
-Introduce a list system
-Eliminate the Senad - possibly replace with an upper chamber that is elected through universal suffrage - if there is a credible rationale for a second chamber. I'm personally not convinced there is such a rationale.
-Reduce number of TDs significantly - to 1:50,000 voters
-Reduce size of cabinet - Taoiseach,Finance, Education,Health,Welfare,Environment,Industry,Agriculture and one miscellaneous(tourism,Gaelteacht,defense etc.)
-Eliminate junior minister role - farm out tasks to TDs instead
-Radically reform local government- thus allowing TDs to govern the country, while local issues are managed locally

An approach along these lines would facilitate a step-change in the way we are governed. It would free the Dail from the shackles of the parish-pump mentality, and from the gombeen brigade. A list system would make it possible to headhunt the best and brightest, from industry and academia for roles in government.
It would encourage TDs to take a longer term strategic view of the direction the country could and should take - as this is the benchmark the voters would use i.e. national elections for a national perspective.
I'm sure this approach would generate its own problems, however, it offers the possibility of a step-change in the quality and effectiveness of governance.
Unfortunately, not one TD in the Dail is willing to promote such an agenda - and so, Dail reform will continue to be a pious aspiration of the opposition - which is quickly dropped once power is secured.

So rock on ICTU and the IFA,IBEC, and the Consultants, the Law Library, and Healy-Rae, and Lowry and ....you are free to run this country....into the ground....
 
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Since we still have it as an offence on the statutes then it is time to jail the union leaders for sedition.
 
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umop3p!sdn said:
I would welcome a coup for many reasons.
impending DNA Database and far too much government
interference, corruption. Ireland is very far from free.
Not to mention the fact the government has destroyed Ireland and its future.

However, I certainly would not back a Union led coup.
They're worse.
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sure agent mulder, now start talking conspiracy ... the fact that politicians in Ireland are corrupt and totally interconnected with business tycoons has nothing to do with "too much government" ... on the contrary, I'd say that there isn't enough of well organized government over here in Ireland - the fact that you can freely avail of benefit frauds, "lease" your prsi number, rarely need any form of formal identification means that the government in Ireland is absolutely chaotic and one hand doesn't know what the other one is doing.
it wasn't the government that destroyed Ireland and it's future /in fact I don't consider it destroyed, let's not be overdramatic/ - sure, they made plenty of mistake but who voted for them and let them be elected? and who cheered the same guys we are now booing when times were good and nobody cared about that they jet around the world and hire expensive limousines paid for by our taxes? there were even common people who were proud that our politicians can "afford it" and show off the power of the celtic kitt ... eh, tiger ...
while i don't wish for more government in the sense of more public servants and government bodies /god and man knows we have more than enough/ i'd wish for a better organized and interconnected government ...
 
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