Barstool Economics ....

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Suppose that every day, ten guys go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to €100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. The fifth would pay €1.The sixth would pay €3. The seventh would pay €7. The eighth would pay €12. The ninth would pay €18.

The tenth man (the richest) would pay €59.


So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the pub every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the publican threw them a curve.
"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by €20."
Drinks for the ten now cost just €80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.

But what about the other six - the paying customers? How could they divide the €20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

They realized that €20 divided by six is €3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the publican suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing(100% savings).The sixth now paid €2 instead of €3 (33% savings).
The seventh now paid €5 instead of €7 (28% savings). The eighth now paid €9 instead of €12 (25% savings). The ninth now paid €14 instead of €18 (22% savings).

The tenth now paid €49 instead of €59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a Euro out of the €20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "But he got €10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a Euro,
too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I did!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get €10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, now reduced by a tenth to €72, they discovered something important.
They didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!

And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a €20 tax reduction.

Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up any more.

Dr David R. Kamerschen, Professor of Economics, University of Georgia


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For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
 
I've seen this posted before elsewhere I believe.
I think the argument is slightly flawed, if going to the bar & buying drink is an analogy for being tax resident & paying taxes you can't "not show up any more", you can only move to another bar.
 
I've seen this posted before elsewhere I believe.
I think the argument is slightly flawed, if going to the bar & buying drink is an analogy for being tax resident & paying taxes you can't "not show up any more", you can only move to another bar.
True but you'd only have to pay for your own beers so you'd still be much better off.
 
I think in this context, you're in a round (with the entire bar?) and the rich are expected to contribute more.
All bars are the same! :)
 
I think in this context, you're in a round (with the entire bar?) and the rich are expected to contribute more.
All bars are the same! :)
Nope, the rich guy can just go to a different country where there's no round system. The more money you have the more mobile you are.
 
What if you are a rich philanthropist and you just buy the bar and provide free drinks for everyone? :)
 
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

Great post! Did anyone reading this immediately associate themselves with any of the 10? And then make a favourable split of the €20 towards their chosen guy?

A more interesting scenario would be what should happen in the event that a night's boozing increases in price to €120. Who pays the extra?

Is it fairer for everyone to pay 20% more or do we ask everyone to drink 20% less beer?

Or maybe ask everyone to pay 10% more to drink 10% less beer and give out that the guys paying nothing and drinking 10% less beer are being made pay for the crisis?
 
Great post!
A more interesting scenario would be what should happen in the event that a night's boozing increases in price to €120. Who pays the extra?

Is it fairer for everyone to pay 20% more or do we ask everyone to drink 20% less beer?

Or maybe ask everyone to pay 10% more to drink 10% less beer and give out that the guys paying nothing and drinking 10% less beer are being made pay for the crisis?

Nah, people would just go up North then ;)
 
The argument plays down the fact that the very rich guy was already paying more than the other drinkers for the same beer. His acceptance of this scenario suggests he derives benefits from the drinking experience other than the actual beer. He might like the company, ambience, decor, etc to the point where he's willing to pay more to protect his surroundings, effectively subsidising other people's beer. It's the price he's willing to pay.

However, somewhere along the continuum between outright acceptance and outside rejection of what might otherwise be regarded as an inequality, there is a point at which his acquiescence is no longer forthcoming.

Getting beaten up by other drinkers would be at the extreme end of the continuum, far beyond the point at which his acquiescence could be reasonably expected. Before reaching this extreme, however, he may be prepared to increase his "contribution" yet further in order to protect and preserve the environment that he's come to enjoy.

In other words, while not prepared to be beaten up, he might be prepared to be slightly more discomforted in order to preserve the bigger picture. He may not be as quick to move as some people might think.
 
In other words, while not prepared to be beaten up, he might be prepared to be slightly more discomforted in order to preserve the bigger picture. He may not be as quick to move as some people might think.

And he probably knows the owner of the pub from the golf club and may get other concessions!
 
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