dockingtrade
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Can you not ask the union. Not being smart here but is it hard to communicate with them, out of interest.
On strike tomorrow but not happy!
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Can you not ask the union. Not being smart here but is it hard to communicate with them, out of interest.
That is crazy. If the Public Service work can be done satisfactorily with everyone taking an additional 12 days off, surely this is admitting that the service is over-staffed?
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I cant see this leading to a 5% reduction. As i said in another thread people on over-time can make up this reduction over the year. When people are onm this leave will other be on overtime also.
Or that some services will suffer, due to the necessity to save money. There's going to be a prioritisation exercise in most areas due to the embargo on replacing staff so I suppose this will be factored in as well. Also, during next year there will be major reform and efficiencies introduced or the unpaid leave will continue into 2011. It's not seen as a final solution but a temporary one while the Public Service introduces new practices.
I think they're also looking at the whole issue of overtime, pay rates for this etc.
On top of generous annual leave and uncertified sick leave, Jaysus will they be in work at all
Generous annual leave?? 21 days is generous is it?
Stop trying to stir things up again and lets leave things be
Risks: You facilitate the creation of yet more inefficient work practices which ultimately necessitate more overtime payments. Ding, ding, ding. The overtime payments are the problem people.
You pander to aging PS/CS emplyees, giving them extra time off (unpaid) without affecting their pension entitlements. Ding, ding, ding. The pension entitlements are the problem people.
These 2 groupings appear to me to be the most intransigent with regards to change. This solution, and the threat to extend these arrangements indefinately, are no threat atall. This could potentially be just another bag of carrots with any savings being born by the consumer through withdrawal of, deemed, less essential services with ultimately no real reforms taking place.
You pander to aging PS/CS emplyees, giving them extra time off (unpaid) without affecting their pension entitlements. Ding, ding, ding. The pension entitlements are the problem people.
These 2 groupings appear to me to be the most intransigent with regards to change. This solution, and the threat to extend these arrangements indefinately, are no threat atall. This could potentially be just another bag of carrots with any savings being born by the consumer through withdrawal of, deemed, less essential services with ultimately no real reforms taking place.
Annual Leave 21 days, Average uncertified sick leave 11 days, new unpaid leave 12 days. That's 44 days or the guts of 2 1/2 months a year.
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Thats a generalisation. There is enough in the proposal to debate without going down the usual road of back and forth insults.
For me I can't see how the proposals will work for the frontline staff in a way that would be acceptable to the public.
In the CS you are only permitted 7 uncertified sick days in any 12 month period, and only 2 days at a time, any more than that requires a cert from a doctor.
Minimum annual leave entitlement under the working time act is 20 days for full time employees. 1 extra day is really generous isnt it.
Now can we not get onto the matter in hand.
14-20 unpaid leave days and trying to avert another day of strike in the Public Service. Nobody wants to strike.
Its hard to comment without the figures but I can't see it being acceptable to the Government. Even the Unions are only talking about €800m of savings. Likely to be alot less so we are still way short of the €1.3 billion that the Government claims it wanted.
I think overtime and other allowances may also be taken into consideration too. I believe that front line services will be affected by this proposal but in my opinion i'd rather time off unpaid to working more for less pay. But not everyone will agree.
I wonder will the unions require membership agreement in order to go through with this.
I wonder will the unions require membership agreement in order to go through with this.
Unpaid leave allows people to claim the dole for these days - no different to any other employees on short weeks.
