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Does anyone else get the distinct impression that the sinister and unGodly hand of Opus Dei is the puppet master? Why not publish everything? What is there to hide?
True, but at the end of the scale, look at all the folks rushing to get their kids into the parish schools and lining them up for communions and confirmations.I think history will be able to look back over the downfall of the Church and pinpoint it to the last 50 years or so.
No organisation can perform such evil and still hope to have the support of its people. The Church in this country is only surviving now because so many older people still cannot bring themselves to disown it. The falling attendances and lack of interest in vocations show that the middle aged and younger generations have already lost interest, and this is only going to grow in future, hastened by these revelations.
Bring it on I say.
True, but at the end of the scale, look at all the folks rushing to get their kids into the parish schools and lining them up for communions and confirmations.
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No organisation can perform such evil and still hope to have the support of its people.
i absolutely believe in total separation of church & state, no role in education & health, no "catholicising" of our legislation - e.g. Licencing laws on good friday. Ok they did much good (& harm) years ago in health and education, but now the government has stepped in, is footing the bill, and should take full control.
As I mentioned on a post in another thread, I have a new baby arriving shortly.
I would love to make a stand and not get it baptised into this evil organisation now, instead letting it decide for itself when its old enough which religion (if any) it wants to follow. I'd rather the child was christian in attitude and respect everyone rather than have to be a Catholic immediately.
But the problem is the problem NOT baptising the child would cause. I can't imagine going to the in-laws or my own family and telling them the child's not getting baptised a Catholic. That would be the end of it.
So perhaps thats why so many are still queuing up - cos its expected.
. This one needs to be exterminated up as far as the vatican. The vatican presided over this world wide abuse for years, it has to fall.
I'm not sure it was specifically a magnet for paedophiles, how would they know say, in the 50's, that you could get away with this stuff?? Maybe an educated guess on their part, but still a grand claim.
Re exterminating the whole shebang, is that like saying get rid of world football becuase you think FIFA is rotten? Why should any Germans or Japanese have been spared at the end of WWII?? Are you in favour of bombing the bejesus out of Gaza because there are some Hamas operating from there? - basically I'm saying you cant impose rough justice on huge numbers because a minority are at fault.
The catholic religion is not entrinsically evil, some of the people operating in it were/are, they must be ruthlessly dealt with and never be allowed to perpetrate evil again. BUT there's no reason to wind up the whole religion, just give it its proper place.
The establishment new about it, covered it up and let it to continue. This is not just about few bad apples within an organization. Im talking the about the organization, the establishment. Does the Nazi party legally exist in Germany!!!! Read my post again Im talking about the organization, not the people. The comparisons you are making are absolutely riducluous.
Well I gathered you wanted to get rid of the whole religion, not just the administrative structure currently overseeing it, maybe I mis-read you.
If we take the example of the Nazi party, and with what limited knowledge I have of it I think they were dedicated to ruling the world as the Ayran race. So its kinda hard to repackage that into a new structure that would be acceptable - whereas you could disband FIFA and set up a new controlling body that would be acceptable.
Just like you could re-package a religion that purports to follow the example of This post will be deleted if not edited immediately (though I suppose there's no shortage of those already ).
Maybe recent revelations should cause us to rethink what was the real root cause of the Northern problem. We have been inclined to smugly dismiss slogans like "Home rule is Rome rule", or Paisley's ranting at paedo priests, or "the Pope is the Anti Christ" as evidence that the root cause was Protestant bigotry. Can we now understand why they were so adamant not to be forced into a suffocating catholic theocracy.I dont think the wiping of religion from the developed world would be a good development (leaving aside the outdated sectarian aspect of Norn Iron, or the looper element of radical islam).
Maybe recent revelations should cause us to rethink what was the real root cause of the Northern problem.
Only if it can be shown that Paisley KNEW what was going on within the Catholic Church.