Why cant the government reduce salaries of all overpaid in public office?

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All I read in the newspapers is how doctors, consultants, TD's etc are paid far more than european counterparts so in a time of crisis why can't all these be told they are having a pay cut instead of talk about increasing taxes??

noah
 
Sounds a bit like Turkeys being in favour of Christmas dinner
 
I was rushing, all our td's get more pay than european counterparts and that relates to all other professions as well. If the IMF came in and looked at the books it would be obvious that public workers have milked the golden cow so therefore in a flash all these exorbitant pay rates could be slashed and at least we would get more value for money.

As Germany said why lend us money to pay our public servants 3 times more than they are paid in Germany.

Its a no brainer.


noah
 
all of them, nice article in the indo today about our seanad?? what do they actually do apart from submitting claims.

Its called the gravy train and its hit the buffers big time.

noah
 
Aren't the pay agreements which produced these inflated salaries legally binding?
 
Well we're due a report soon, which oddly is being flagged much by the media. No leaks that I've noticed, though think I saw a newpaper hint (wishfully I think) it would be "explosive".



The remit is
"International analysis of the levels of remuneration of certain senior positions in the public sector in six European countries (mainly eurozone countries comparable to Ireland), compared to the levels for the equivalent positions in Ireland."
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Plenty of room there to allow the sting to be taken out of such a review, also it appears the review body itself is the same one who decided chasing bankers salaries was the way to go - not too surprising perhaps given that an ex Anglo chairman chairs this group.

Legally I can't see the often self important individuals involved accepting pay decreases. Also someone already earning 100k+ is probably within sight of retirement and isn't going to be too worried about never getting another pay increase so they could easily just brazen it out until inflation brings their salaries into line over a decade or so. Someone on an average salary would probably be more amenable to looking beyond any paycuts into the longer term thinking of promotions and increments.
 
Well well well, it looks as if the penny has dropped, the cut should be 30% but the talk is 15-20 and in the end they will add the last one together and probably go a further 5.

Still not enough but a start. The waste is unbeleiveable and I just hope the media keep up the pressure.

noah
 
He heard you!
From RTE

"Minister Lenihan said he had received a review report on higher paid civil servants and said there would be substantial reductions in pay for senior civil servants and ministers to bring them into line with other countries."
 
Employment contracts.

Why would people be paid the same as other European countries when the cost of living is so different?
Remember if you pay peanuts you get monkeys, thats not how I want the public service here ran.
 
corkgal said:
Why would people be paid the same as other European countries when the cost of living is so different?
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With respect your comment shows a complete lack of understanding of how an economy works. Prices are set be what the market will stand so when you increase wages for everyone the price the market will stand increases accordingly. That’s called pro-cyclical economics, If the whole world is doing that then it doesn’t affect our competitiveness but when our prices are increasing to chase domestic costs at a higher rate than the rest of the world then it erodes our competitiveness.
The best way to reduce prices is to take money out of the economy. Over the last 10 years the government should have done this by increasing direst taxes. They should also have controlled property prices by introducing a property tax (and regulating the banking sector properly).
 
corkgal said:
Remember if you pay peanuts you get monkeys, thats not how I want the public service here ran.
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John Lynch, is that you?


They say if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. But it seems that in our public service, we pay well over the odds and still the services leave a lot to be desired.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6879385.ece
The architects of that deal, which required a special statutory instrument, were ministers Charlie McCreevy and Mary Harney. That pension, now worth €105,000 a year, is paid to Mr Lynch on top of the €239,000 salary he earns as chairman of the financial basket case known as CIE. Mr Lynch, incidentally, believes his salary is “peanuts”.
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There is no talk of redundancies in the public sector at the moment. Surely there is scope for that. I realise some depts must be busier (e.g. social welfare) but there must be some excess fat to be trimmed elsewhere. The unions guys keep saying that laying off staff from the public sector will take money out of the economy etc etc but this is borrowed money.
 
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