Standard of Driving on Irish Roads

It amazes me how many people I see on a daily basis driving in the middle lane (of 3) on the M50 and also N7 and are clearly not overtaking anybody in the inside lane (lane 1).

This sounds like a small offence but when you think that you are not allowed undertake (unless driving in heavy traffic and all lanes are moving at the same speed) and if you are coming up behind someone in the middle lane and you are in lane 1 (inside lane) you have to move out to the outside lane (lane 3) to pass them legally. Pretty dangerous.

Also, I cant get over the amount of trucks that drive well over their legal speed limit (80kph) and also drive in the outside lanes of motorways.
You beat me to it as well RonanC, this type of behaviour is astonishing.

I drive quite a bit in France and Spain and although it can be a bit frightening when you're overtaking and someone comes up at speed behind you, they all know they have to drive on the right and overtake on the left. They move over straight after they've overtaken and the traffic flows really well.

I recently drove south on the M1 where a driver was in the overtaking lane doing 50mph and the tail of drivers backing up behind the offending vehicle was amazing. They ended up all dangeroursly undertaking.

Maybe the roads authority should place large signs on the side of the motorways 'drive on the left unless overtaking' until drivers get the message or threaten to issue penalty points to drivers who drive dangerously by obstructing traffic in the fast lane.
 
If you are driving at the legal limit in the third lane, why should some want want to overtake? is there a need to pull over?
 
Had the nearest of nearest of near misses this morning on Naas Road. Car just literally cut in front of me from fast lane and would have hit me.....had to swerve into slow lane, my steering was actually shaking, the wheel was rocking back and forth and at one stage thought I was going to land on side of road...then she just darted back into fast lane so I would not get her number, but I had. It was either a complete blind spot or drink driving....nearest of near misses...I am either very lucky or very unlucky.

Wonder does that traffic number still work. Person was going way to fast and even faster to get away.

Scary stuff...had legs like jelly for a couple of hours later
 
I was on the M1 the other day and the person in front insisted on doing 80 in the over taking lane. Traffic was held up and because i was in the inside lane i didn't want to over take on the inside. After 5 mins of people beeping and flashing their lights at her and she still hadn't pulled over, I had no choice but to over take on the inside as the car behind me was right up the back to me. As did sereval other people as well, and still she didn't pull in.

Is it actually against the law to stay in the over taking lane? I know you can get points in the UK but not sure about in Ireland ( should know really )

Has anyone every be caught over taking on the inside? What happens? Do you get a fine or points on your licence, or just a "dont do it again"
 
If you are driving at the legal limit in the third lane, why should some want want to overtake? is there a need to pull over?
I take it from your comments that you are a permanent fixture in Lane 3, drive on a learner's permit and haven't familiarised yourself with the Rules of the Road yet? If you do have a full licence, I shudder to think what that says about the quality of our driving test. :(
 
I merely asked a common sense question, if you are doing the legal limit in the third lane, only law breakers will want to overtake, is this you Mathepac?
I do not hog the 3rd lane but common sense must prevail, there is about a 6 mile stretch around the Cork bypass that require you to keep to the right because there is a constant filter of traffic joining the bypass from the left at the junctions, if you pulled to lane 1 and 2 you would be constantly changing lanes to allow them to enter from the left, I have even seen Garda doing this, it makes sense.

Our rules of the road are not consistent with other countries and may not be always correct, but someone in higher authority made them,we must follow them, for example when I was driving to the American rules, Turning left you passed the car coming from the opposite direction turning to their left on your right. (note this is for driving on the right of the road, on the left obviously the opposite applies here) The Irish rules of the road stated that each car waltzed around each other or crossed each others path to turn right, I could not believe it, is it the same now? As I have been driving for 40years I have not looked at it recently. We do know that the markings on a lot of roundabouts do not make sense, we only know which lane to go in because we do it every day, these were made by the same higher authority.
 
@roker, thankfully the Rules of the Road govern behaviour on public roads in this country, not your common sense. From your latest post it seems you have a lot of reading to do in order to familiarise yourself with the Rules of the Road in relation to motorways, acceleration lanes, two vehicles making right turns at a junction, correct use of roundabouts and your use of Garda car drivers as role models. I find your admission to not having read the Rules of the Road recently astounding, but not surprising; are you suggesting there have been no changes to Road Traffic Law in all that time?

Our Rules of the Road are always correct as they are based on Irish Road Traffic Law at a specific date and there is no current obligation on our Legislature to comply with or be consistent with Road Traffic Law in any other jurisdiction. You might find this surprising, but its the way sovereign states work.

Please use the link I supplied in my previous post to update the evident gaps in your knowledge. Hopefully, amognst other things, it'll stop you illegally hogging the outside lane on the Culahill to Cashel bypass and make my motoring life a bit safer and easier.
 
In regards to the motorway and lane 3, if the traffic in lane 2 is moving at the speed limit, are cars allowed to drive in excess of the speed limit in lane 3 to pass them out. I'd argue no since they shouldn't be passing the traffic in lane 2 out at all, since they are not driving slowly.

This is what bugs me about the N7, cars driving in lane 3, well in excess of the speed limit, even when there is nothing to pass out or when the cars in lane 2 are driving at the limit
 
If you are driving at the legal limit in the third lane, why should some want want to overtake? is there a need to pull over?

If there is a constant stream of cars driving down the outside lane, how are people in the inside lane supposed to use it as an overtaking lane, ie its intended purpose, regardless of what speed you are doing?
 
You beat me to it as well RonanC, this type of behaviour is astonishing.

I drive quite a bit in France and Spain and although it can be a bit frightening when you're overtaking and someone comes up at speed behind you, they all know they have to drive on the right and overtake on the left. They move over straight after they've overtaken and the traffic flows really well.

I recently drove south on the M1 where a driver was in the overtaking lane doing 50mph and the tail of drivers backing up behind the offending vehicle was amazing. They ended up all dangeroursly undertaking.

Maybe the roads authority should place large signs on the side of the motorways 'drive on the left unless overtaking' until drivers get the message or threaten to issue penalty points to drivers who drive dangerously by obstructing traffic in the fast lane.

I just love driving in the continent because of this attitude.
Actually I came across loads of those signs in Australia that reminded people they drive on the left.
Of course it would be common sense to have them here, but all we just hear is the mantra that speed kills.

If you are driving at the legal limit in the third lane, why should some want want to overtake? is there a need to pull over?

Try and read the rules of the road or better still go drive on Spanish or French dual carriageways or motorways.

BTW it is not your or anyone elses job to police the roads, it is the job of the gardaí.

I merely asked a common sense question, if you are doing the legal limit in the third lane, only law breakers will want to overtake, is this you Mathepac?
I do not hog the 3rd lane but common sense must prevail, there is about a 6 mile stretch around the Cork bypass that require you to keep to the right because there is a constant filter of traffic joining the bypass from the left at the junctions, if you pulled to lane 1 and 2 you would be constantly changing lanes to allow them to enter from the left, I have even seen Garda doing this, it makes sense.

... We do know that the markings on a lot of roundabouts do not make sense, we only know which lane to go in because we do it every day, these were made by the same higher authority.

It is not a common sense question.
Again try driving in other European countries and see how they manage to lane change.
Of course we have heard instances of Gardai pulling over drivers for what they term lane jumping, so I would suggest they also drive on e.g Spanish motorways for a few hours and see where hogging the outside lane gets them.
And with regard to joining motorways and dual carriageways why do Irish drivers do the following:
a) when on the motorway in light traffic refuse to move out onto overtaking lane so that traffic can join smoothly ?
b) drivers joping motoway almost come to a stop at joining point of motorway, why aren't they up near motorway speeds at this point ?

I do agree with you that some of the road makrings at junctions and roundabouts are misleading and dangerous.

As regards driving on normal national routes why do some drivers drive along at 80kph, believing they are really safe and then just go through the next village 15/20kph above the 50kph limit.
It is mind boggling and it appears the only logical reasons are they have either a bomb on board that goes off below 60 and above 80 or they only have two gears.
 
It is mind boggling and it appears the only logical reasons are they have either a bomb on board that goes off below 60 and above 80 or they only have two gears.

Or cruise control switched on.

And with regard to joining motorways and dual carriageways why do Irish drivers do the following:
a) when on the motorway in light traffic refuse to move out onto overtaking lane so that traffic can join smoothly ?
b) drivers joping motoway almost come to a stop at joining point of motorway, why aren't they up near motorway speeds at this point ?

Agreed, the number of people you see slowing down when coming down the ramp is unreal - you should be at a similar speed to the traffic before you join and blend in.

How come minimum speeds are not enforced on our motorways? In some parts of the US you could be ticketed for dangerous driving for being anything more than 15-20mph below the speed limit.

And how come slow moving vehicles are not policed? I came across 2 tractors pulling trailers with bails of hay doing c.20mph on the N1 yesterday.
 
If you are driving at the legal limit in the third lane, why should some want want to overtake? is there a need to pull over?
You sound just like my other half who was recently pulled over by the Guards on the Stillorgan Dual Carriageway doing 60kph in a 60kph zone in the right hand lane!

He's also someone who believes that as long as you are travelling at the speed limit, you should be able to use whatever lane you like. Not! :rolleyes:

The guards pulled him over and asked him what he was doing in the right hand lane. He said he was travelling at the speed limit and that was ok. They cautioned him and told him that he was not entitled to travel in that lane and was obstructing traffic by doing so - i.e. themselves and other emergency vehicles.
 
Answer to Liaconn. You cannot use it as an overtaking lane if the overhead signs tell which lane to get in to, to go a certain route or direction.
In the USA where I was, they constantly pass on the inside, I don’t know if it is legal but it’s accepted.
Another annoying thing, is drivers constantly touching their brakes when something is coming the otherway, do they think it is going to make their car more narrow.
 
Another annoying thing, is drivers constantly touching their brakes when something is coming the otherway, do they think it is going to make their car more narrow.

:D I agree on this one anyway - does my head in!
 
In the USA where I was, they constantly pass on the inside, I don’t know if it is legal but it’s accepted.


Undertaking is legal in the US but it's not here. Just like certain states allow right on red but not here. Your experience of driving in other countries is totally irrelevant and probably dangerous. Rules of the road exist so people drive in a predictable manner. If you drive according to someone else's rules, you won't be predictable to other drivers and you could easily cause a crash.
 
Agreed, the number of people you see slowing down when coming down the ramp is unreal - you should be at a similar speed to the traffic before you join and blend in.

Have you been around the m50 or the n3 recently? With the roadworks, many of the on ramps end quite suddenly and you have no space to blend with the traffic, if there is no break in the traffic you are forced to stop.
 
Answer to Liaconn. You cannot use it as an overtaking lane if the overhead signs tell which lane to get in to, to go a certain route or direction.

But that only happens when you're coming to the end of the motorway.
 
I merely asked a common sense question, if you are doing the legal limit in the third lane, only law breakers will want to overtake, is this you Mathepac?
Trouble with common sense......its very rare!!
The outside lane (or third lane, if you want to call it that) is for OVERTAKING, not staying in, even if you are doing the legal limit.

....there is about a 6 mile stretch around the Cork bypass that require you to keep to the right because there is a constant filter of traffic joining the bypass from the left at the junctions, if you pulled to lane 1 and 2.....
You are NOT REQUIRED to stay on the right on this stretch. People (like you) who feel that they are required to stay in the outside lane cause mayhem and reduce the options for other traffic. I drive this section every day and find the lane discipline appalling, even worse than the N7 into Dublin - and that's bad! There are three lanes along a good section of this particular stretch. I drive on the inner lane whenever possible, usually at the legal limit. Very often I pass a slower moving 'convoy' in the outer lane, with one completely empty lane in between us.

I don't know if this is illegal, i.e. undertaking with several lanes between, but it's better than tailgateing a slow moving convoy where the first car is hogging the lane because he/she is turning right 6 miles down the road!

....you would be constantly changing lanes to allow them to enter from the left, I have even seen Garda doing this, it makes sense..
That's exactly what you're supposed to do, however I would hardly call it constant, even on the stretch you mention. What I find really annoying along this stretch is driving at 100kph on the inside lane and coming up against someone doing 60-80 in the middle lane, having to move out into the outer lane and back again - a 4 lane changeover because some plonker feels that by moving left he'd have to be "constantly changing lanes"

Along the three lane section,, I reckon that approx. 70% of the traffic drives in the outside (fast lane), 25% in the middle and 5% (if that) in the inside lane. Actually I find things pretty similar on the N7 into/out of Dublin, but there much of the traffic actually goes faster in the emptier inner lanes.

Our rules of the road are not consistent with other countries and may not be always correct, but someone in higher authority made them,we must follow them, for example when I was driving to the American rules, Turning left you passed the car coming from the opposite direction turning to their left on your right. (note this is for driving on the right of the road, on the left obviously the opposite applies here) The Irish rules of the road stated that each car waltzed around each other or crossed each others path to turn right, I could not believe it, is it the same now?
Yes it is. And it works well when it is (very rarely) done. I did it last night for the first time in years.


As I have been driving for 40years I have not looked at it recently. We do know that the markings on a lot of roundabouts do not make sense, we only know which lane to go in because we do it every day, these were made by the same higher authority.
Sounds like you do your own thing?

As I have been driving for 40years I have not looked at it recently."
Explains a lot. Have a read of it. Things HAVE changed in 40 years!

...and, by the way
In the USA where I was, they constantly pass on the inside, I don’t know if it is legal but it’s accepted.
I see you profess not to be familair with the US Highway Code either!

I would LOVE to see the Gardai pull people for hogging ANY lane. I've never, ever heard of it happening. Anyone else?
[Edit: just spotted Delgirl's post - I'm truly amazed, but wouold love to see it happen regularly].

Finally, last evening, at rush hour, on this same section of the N25, I came across an imbecile driving a (horse drawn) sulkie on the hard shoulder, in a 100kph zone, approaching a major interchange:eek:
 
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