Crk City 1984 - 2009 - R.I.P. ?

Which do they prefer, Wembley or Craven Cottage? Would Cork fans be willing to travel to London to watch home games?


Cork fans (like the majority of Irish fans) have no problem heading to Anfield, Old Trafford or The Emerit Stadium.
Lots of crocodile tears being shed at the minute here in Cork. The truth of the matter is the Irish people will not support Irish soccer.
 
Seriously, says in some of the papers today that Cork City paid their players outstanding wages NET OF TAX and didnt think that this created any more liability to the taxman to take them out of examinership. This is madness.

LOI needs to be cleaned up. It is seriously lacking in managerial and financial expertise. A lot of the clubs seem to come from the duck and dive dell boy school of running a business. Its a big shame, because it could be a great league if it was better run.

Players historically are paid net and then the club pays the PAYE and PRSI except in CCFCs case the chairman didn't pay it. He has paid nothing since he took over.
However, for each club to receive a licence to operate from the FAI they need to be tax compliant and have there books in order.
The FAI are the regulaters in the same way that the Financial Regulator looked after the banks. The FAI were asleep on the job.

Other clubs are rumoured to be in the same position with cases pending with Revenue.
 
Big rumours down here in Cork that we could have a big investor on board for tomorrow mornings meeting with Revenue before the appearance before Justice Laffoy.
Fingers crossed!!
 
Big rumours down here in Cork that we could have a big investor on board for tomorrow mornings meeting with Revenue before the appearance before Justice Laffoy.
Fingers crossed!!

Is this a genuine investor or a stalling tactic i.e. telling the Judge/Revenue that the club is "sale agreed" to someone with the cash to pay the tax bill, but the buyer pulls out at some stage in the future before contracts are signed, but this buys time for the club management. Today's the last day of legal term, so if Cork City get the hearing delayed, it wont happen until October at the earliest.
 
Is this a genuine investor or a stalling tactic i.e. telling the Judge/Revenue that the club is "sale agreed" to someone with the cash to pay the tax bill, but the buyer pulls out at some stage in the future before contracts are signed, but this buys time for the club management. Today's the last day of legal term, so if Cork City get the hearing delayed, it wont happen until October at the earliest.


Yes, that point was discussed amoung supporters but the new company that have come on board (Quintas Wealth Management) have issued a statement saying they are on board and are taking over the day to day running of the club.
The perception in Cork is that Revenue have there claws out for our chairman due to past indiscretions with revenue (and rightly so) and they therefore being harsh on him and as I said, rightly so. No supporter in Cork of the club have anytime for his non payment tactics.
However, it now seems that this company have presented Revenue with a business plan and it is up to Revenue whether this proceed with the winding up order or not. If Revenue tell Justice Leffoy that they are happy, we survive. If Revenue are unhappy then we are gone. The judges hands are tied really and in the past she has been more than lienient with a chairman who only paid the whole process lip service.
I am not sure if all this is enough to satisfy Revenue but it is a hope that we have today that we didn't have yesterday. However, it may still be too little to late.
 
Okay,
I have just heard that the evidence has been presented and the judge has sent the Revenue lawyers away to make a verdict on whether they are happy or not and to report back to her by 1:00 PM.
 
seemingly they've raised half the money and have a friendly match lined up with Celtic in October which the FAI have said they'll take responsibility for and will pay the funds from that game direct to the revenue
 
seemingly they've raised half the money and have a friendly match lined up with Celtic in October which the FAI have said they'll take responsibility for and will pay the funds from that game direct to the revenue


Its about time the FAI got involved..
 
Cork supporters have a guy in the court room who is updating the supporters website from his Ipod (surely illegal ;-) ) but the supporters website has crashed..
 
Further update... Revenue appear to be playing hardball and not accepting the offer.

Cork have €220k in court (owe €439K) and have said they will pay the remainder over 4 months with the Celtic game being run by the FAI in 2 weeks to ensure the Revenue get the (estimate) €150k from that game.
Revenue won't agree and the judge has adjourned until 4:00PM to see if CCFC can raise the further cash. In fairness Justice Leffoy is bending over backwards for the club but I am not confident that they will have the money by 4PM.
 
According to RTE news the High Court has issued an order winding up Cork City.
The judge has granted an extension until 4 to see if CCFC can bring an appeal to the Supreme Court !
 
I am getting updates by the minute... each contradictory.

If they are granted the appeal to the Supreme Court then they will have bought time to raise the remainder of the money. With the new company on board the money will be raised. With the former chairmen it wouldn't as the people of Cork saw any money given with him in charge as money down a bottomless black hole.
 
I assume that one way or another, a team representing Cork will play in the LOI - probably with new holding company or owner or whatever solution they find - this incarnation is not the first to play as "Cork City" and probably wont be the last.

What has always puzzled me is why do they play in green and white? Surely it would make more sense to play in the local colours - red. Gives the team more of a local identity.

I'm guessing that the green and white is something to do with one of the previous LOI representatives being Cork Hibernians? But just because a team in the city played in green and white for the relatively short time it was in existance, it doesnt mean that every team from that point on must play in these colours?
 
I assume that one way or another, a team representing Cork will play in the LOI - probably with new holding company or owner or whatever solution they find - this incarnation is not the first to play as "Cork City" and probably wont be the last.

What has always puzzled me is why do they play in green and white? Surely it would make more sense to play in the local colours - red. Gives the team more of a local identity.

I'm guessing that the green and white is something to do with one of the previous LOI representatives being Cork Hibernians? But just because a team in the city played in green and white for the relatively short time it was in existance, it doesnt mean that every team from that point on must play in these colours?

There was an experiment in the early 90s to change the club colours to Red & White. It did not take off and after 3 seasons we reverted back to green and white. All the fans want green and white, that is our identity.

I can't get onto the cork supporters website for the latest update as it has crashed. It looks like we have a short term reprieve due to the appeal to the Supreme Court. The appeal will obviously fail but it will give the club more time to gather cash.
However, the Gods are being unkind. We would be due our biggest gate of the season tonight and a wad of money but there has been biblical rain here in Cork today and the match could be called off due to flooding. Traffic in Cork is at a standstill due to flooding on roads.
 
NEWS FLASH
Cork City have reached an agreement with Revenue. We are saved... Heres to another 25 years!!!!!!!!

Now lets hope the people running the club pay tax from now on! I can't go throught another week like this again.
 
Well you have to find plenty of money for next Wed/Thur, but listening to your chairman it sounds like he is very confident.

I really hope you do survive. I am a season ticket holder in the League of Ireland and it would not be the same without Cork City. The league is struggling to attract paying spectators these days but its tough times and things will get better. All teams are struggling but hopefully we won't have any more failures this season.

Good luck for next weeks Court appearance.
 
Good article in todays Sunday Independent. INM don't give much coverage to the LOI unless its bad news but journalist Sean Ryan is a big LOI fan and has written some pretty good books on soccer in Ireland.
The article below hits the nail on the head as to why CCFC finds itself in the financial predictament its in....

Last October, Tom Coughlan rode into Cork City's history as a white knight, a saviour, a messiah, rescuing the club from oblivion on the eve of its silver jubilee. Almost a year on, and Coughlan was seen as a chancer and incompetent, as he built up a trail of debt and destruction and the club spiralled towards extinction again.

On Friday last, after a stay of execution had been granted to the club by the High Court until Wednesday afternoon, a chink of light appeared and Coughlan's redemption beckoned.

It wasn't that he had saved Cork City again - Friday's stay may be only a temporary reprieve - rather it was the mea culpa which he uttered to the waiting media that hints at a turning point in Coughlan's style of management.

"I made a balls of it in the first six months here," he admitted. "We've got to learn from that and get a truly sustainable model."

They say it takes a big man to admit he made a mistake, but Coughlan made plenty of them before Friday - and never held up his hand. Maybe his mea culpa on Friday is only a temporary reprieve in that regard also?

There is certainly plenty of evidence to indicate how much of a "balls" he made of directing Cork City's fortunes up to now. The failure to pay tax liabilities is only the tip of an iceberg that threatens to put a damper on what should have been the silver jubilee celebrations of possibly the most successful League of Ireland club in the past 25 years.

Bent on putting his own mark on the club, Coughlan's regime was marked by a hire-and-fire syndrome, which lacked common sense and also displayed his lack of football nous.

As a result, the club has to find €36,000 to compensate Gareth Farrelly for unfair dismissal, and faces legal action and the possibility of a six-figure sum for the summary dismissal of former manager Alan Mathews.

Further down the chain there are disputes to be settled with former club worker Noelle Feeney, and the owners of the lease of the club shop on Grand Parade, which Coughlan moved to other premises. His actions give every indication of someone who is used to riding roughshod over people and they were compounded by his own admission that football wasn't his number one sport and his unwillingness or inability to take advice from football people.

For instance, had Coughlan consulted the Professional Footballers Association of Ireland (PFAI), he could have saved himself a lot of money. The players' willingness to play without pay to save the club is more akin to the action of a GAA team than a team of professionals, yet Coughlan never tapped into that reservoir of goodwill.

The Cork City he inherited had just come out of examinership, with the Revenue having to settle for less than 10 cent from every euro it was owed. Keeping them onside should have been a priority for the new regime, but they were treated with contempt, in one case being offered cheques that bounced. In addition, Cork City players who had retired were now claiming sporting tax back - on tax, which had not found its way to the Revenue. No wonder Revenue's attitude to the club's owner hardened.

With the biggest support base in the League, Coughlan could have steadied the ship, but instead his ambition got in the way of common sense, and he decided to go for broke and challenge for the title.

The comparison with Drogheda United is telling. The Louth club, given a similar deal by the Revenue when they got into difficulty last year, cut their cloth accordingly and operate with a weekly wage bill of €6,500. Cork's is still €30,000, second only to League champions Bohemians.

Cork's position vis-a-vis Sligo Rovers is also interesting. Because the FAI had issues with the budget which the Westerners presented to the licensing department in February, a transfer embargo was imposed. It left Sligo so short of players that, at times, they only had two substitutes on the bench. However, having stabilised their finances, they were able to make a number of signings during the recent transfer window. Cork's budget presentation was considered in order last February, and the club were able to make seven new signings. Subsequently they went over budget, but the only sanction the FAI could impose was a transfer embargo, which didn't come into force until July.

An FAI source explained that, as the Gareth Farrelly and Alan Mathews cases were legal issues at the time, they were precluded from being considered in relation to the issuing of the licence. Perhaps the Cork City saga will force a re-think in this area by the Association.

Another requirement on licence applicants is a tax clearance certificate or an agreement with the Revenue. In Cork's case, whatever agreement was in place was broken soon after the licence was granted.

The FAI licensing department have been working with Cork and the Revenue since May, when a petition was filed in the High Court to wind up Cork City Investment FC Ltd, the club's holding company.

Having gone out on a limb to retain a club, whose loss to the League would be catastrophic, the FAI will now take more control, starting with the running of the Celtic friendly at Turner's Cross.

If they pay the outstanding debt to the Revenue on Wednesday, the club then have to make regular payments. If, at the end of the season, the deal has come apart, then the FAI can revoke the licence.

In the meantime, there are a lot of issues for a chastened Coughlan to face: players' wages, Gareth Farrelly, etc. It shouldn't take long to find out if his mea culpa has substance - or was just another good soundbite.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...citys-saviour-is-truly-chastened-1849371.html
 
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