Dunlop gets 2 years jail

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I read that Frank Dunlop got 2 years jail with the last 6 months suspended and a €30,000 fine.

How are they ever going to get anyone to spill the beans again if the main man is going to get crucified by blowing the whistle.

I was listening to the radio in the last couple of days and it seems to be an Irish thing where people who come clean are treated very badly.

In the States and other places they get better treatment, as far as I'm concerned the man performed a public service by coming forward.
 
S.L.F said:
I read that Frank Dunlop got 2 years jail with the last 6 months suspended and a €30,000 fine.

How are they ever going to get anyone to spill the beans again if the main man is going to get crucified by blowing the whistle.

I was listening to the radio in the last couple of days and it seems to be an Irish thing where people who come clean are treated very badly.

In the States and other places they get better treatment, as far as I'm concerned the man preformed a public service by coming forward.
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Call me a cynic but I feel hes taking the fall for them all.

Very few (if any) other dodgy civil servants will be found out (or chased). The rest of them can sleep safely in the knowledge that the Irish System has once again covered itself in ignorance by punishing one fallguy for the good of the rest . .
 
Have to say i think it is crazy that he got jail. I always remember that rapist who got the suspended sentence and then taunted the girl he raped on the way home. Wasn't is a 2 year suspended sentence? I have dealt with Mr. Dunlop in my work in the past and he is a nice man, I would agree with a fine but I think that much jail is a bit much, didn't he plead guilty?
 
NorthDrum said:
Call me a cynic but I feel hes taking the fall for them all.

Very few (if any) other dodgy civil servants will be found out (or chased). The rest of them can sleep safely in the knowledge that the Irish System has once again covered itself in ignorance by punishing one fallguy for the good of the rest . .
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This is the thing I don't understand Dunlop wasn't in charge he merely did what others asked him to do, it wasn't his money he was spending it belonged to someone else, that's the guy who should be before the courts and of course the councellors who took bribes.

They are the ones who betrayed the public, not Dunlop.

Northdrum, Dunlop wasn't a civil servant and wasn't paying civil servants
 
I agree with all the above. The only evidence against him was what he supplied himself. And, as far as I know, they're going after a few who were paid off by him and Dunlop will be the key witness. Sounds a bit daft alright! :rolleyes:
 
Its not a great result at all. I wonder if he himself is now wondering where it went wrong. Someone mentioned that he shouldn't have been fined, but when will everyone else's day in court be, never? Seems so.
 
If you look at all the other 'creatures' who have 40 or 50 previous criminal convictions and get off with probation every time they come before the courts, it does seem very harsh.

I thought prison was there to lock away dangerous criminals to protect the public - I don't think Mr Dunlop poses any danger or threat to anyone and, as such, should have been given a suspended sentence. Particularly as the jails are apparently so over-crowded, it doesn't make sense.

Have any charges been brought against the people who took the bribes?
 
Seeing Ray Burke and Frank Dunlop being escorted into a prison van in handcuffs makes the millions spent on the tribunals worth every penny. Another great day for Ireland.
 
delgirl said:
I thought prison was there to lock away dangerous criminals to protect the public
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No. Prisons exist to deprive the guilty of their liberty as punishment for their lawbreaking. In an ideal world, the prison experience would incorporate some form of rehabiliation but that's perhaps for another thread. Protection of the public is a function of the police system.

If the system is to excuse Dunlop (or anybody else) just because he "fessed up" and/or he's a nice guy then society is screwed. That logic could potentially exonerate anyone and everyone.

He may not have been the main beneficiary but he did well financially. He admitted he did wrong and probably knows himself that he owes a debt to society which he's now discharging. I hope the prision experince is a positive one for him and that it sends the correct message to others who may be tempted to act similarly.
 
Staples said:
I hope the prision experince is a positive one for him and that it sends the correct message to others who may be tempted to act similarly.
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I think the mesage it sends is keep your mouth shut and you'll get away with it and if they catch you still keep your mouth shut if they produce evidence, lie and keep on lying because if you open your mouth you'll get the same as Dunlop.
 
sandrat said:
Have to say i think it is crazy that he got jail. I always remember that rapist who got the suspended sentence and then taunted the girl he raped on the way home. Wasn't is a 2 year suspended sentence? I have dealt with Mr. Dunlop in my work in the past and he is a nice man, I would agree with a fine but I think that much jail is a bit much, didn't he plead guilty?
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What's crazy is that the rapist didn't get more.

Dunlop was accused of 16 counts of bribery/corruption and he pled guilty to 5 sample counts. That's a fair amount of corruption in my book. In isolation, I don't think his sentence is excessive or unfair.
 
S.L.F said:
I read that Frank Dunlop got 2 years jail with the last 6 months suspended and a €30,000 fine.

How are they ever going to get anyone to spill the beans again if the main man is going to get crucified by blowing the whistle.

I was listening to the radio in the last couple of days and it seems to be an Irish thing where people who come clean are treated very badly.

In the States and other places they get better treatment, as far as I'm concerned the man performed a public service by coming forward.
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He's a criminal !!!! He bribed people, he lied to the tribunal and only admitted the truth when the judge asked him to "reflect" on his statements to date as evidence to the contrary emerged. He did everything he could in the first instance to avoid coming clean

Hopefully this is only the beginning of white collar criminals been jailed in this country.
 
Dunlop did not "come forward"; he was forced into a corner by the tribunal. His sentence was just and fair. I just hope the dozens, if not hundreds, involved find justice served on them as well.
 
From the prospect of prosecuting the others involved Dunlop is a more credible witness in jail than out. It'll be very hard for a judge to absolve someone for accepting a bribe when the person who gave the bribe is in jail.

In isolation, 18 months imprisonment for having a hand in the crazy planning decisions the country is still (and probably always will be) paying for seems mild.

Perhaps if you compare it with the ridiculously light judgements handed out by some other judges then it may seem harsh. But then I'm sure Mr. Dunlop would appreciate that there is a certain irony in criticising the inconsistency and unfairness of a system you helped corrupt.
 
Mpsox said:
He's a criminal !!!! He bribed people, he lied to the tribunal and only admitted the truth when the judge asked him to "reflect" on his statements to date as evidence to the contrary emerged. He did everything he could in the first instance to avoid coming clean

Hopefully this is only the beginning of white collar criminals been jailed in this country.
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Yes, he did not come clean until leaned on very heavily by the judge. I would like to see many more of his ilk serving time also.
 
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