EUFA Not Lifting Champions League Final Suspensions - Unbelievable!!!!!!

mick you seem to have pretty strong views on soccer,cheating in particular. Can I ask why it seems to get your goat up?
 
mick1960 said:
Confused? I will try to simplify it even more.There is a Knock out tournament
team A cheats and is awarded a penalty the other team B is out.
They win 2 more games against C and D through cheating.
Then they meet Team E who cheats as well and team E wins from a free kick.
(So now we have A B C D teams out,B C D of which do not cheat and who are more skilled)
In the semi final the cheating team E does not get an opportunity to get an advantage through their cheating,and are beaten by team F who do not cheat
Team F are in the final.
Team F could have been beatenby B C D but we can not know because they were put out by cheating.
Team F are in the Final because they did not meet B C or D because they were put out by cheating.
Therefore Team F are in the final because of cheating.

There are other Statments that can be made from that examples but it might confuse you again.
That I think is as simple as I can put it,but if I can be of any more help in explaining any other aspects of this I will
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Thats all very interesting, but it might add a little (much needed) weight to your argument if you started including fact. Maybe if you used the teams that you have stated are in the final through cheating and walk us through how indeed, United & Barcelona are not in the final on merit but rather from there ecpertise in the art of cheating? I will presume that this is too complicated and even though I talked you through the 1/4 and semi final stages already.
 
mick1960 said:
.It is great that Football has such a wide fan base because I seem to have stumbled accross the ''I can't think for myself but I can laugh group ''
So you probably will be splitting your sides with laughter when Man u and Barca come on and fall around for 90 mins to the cheers of thousands of brain washed deluded disciples,wearing their compulsory uniform that they have been told to wear by their high priests,rather than the fleece that sheep normally wear,and chuckle with glee as their pantomine comes to a end,and the charactors in this wimsey manage to hold themself upright for long enough to recieve their clown badges and the cup of comedy and prean and pose like latter day gladiators,(all the time hoping that the assembled mass never get the ability to think or question for themselves) and then watch the WWF champions final and clap with mad frenzy as two men pretend to battle each other and one is crowned champion of the Universe then smile yourself to sleep totally pleased with the amazing comedy spectacle you have watched.

I on the other hand will see it for what it is two teams that are in a final because of cheating .

Adieus
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As a United fan I guess you are desribing me as a 'deluded sheep' for enjoying watching them play and looking forward to the final next week. You have an obvious disdain for the game which begs the question 'why do you watch it'?
Do you support any soccer team?
 
MrMan said:
Thats all very interesting, but it might add a little (much needed) weight to your argument if you started including fact. Maybe if you used the teams that you have stated are in the final through cheating and walk us through how indeed, United & Barcelona are not in the final on merit but rather from there ecpertise in the art of cheating? I will presume that this is too complicated and even though I talked you through the 1/4 and semi final stages already.
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My argument does not need weight, it is people who are deluded enough to think that cheating had nothing to do with results who need to prove that.

Can you prove that cheating has nothing to do with results? Because your example has nothing to do with that,and is often described as Smoke screen.

As for my very simple example.It was for people who do not have the faintest idea about football ,or chose not to understand the argument.
If you read my example and using a bit of independent thinking they can both be in the final without cheating.If a simple argument and a simple example is to complicated,there is no point labouring the point.The plus side is that is'' ignorance is bliss'' there will be thousands of people in a blissful state,which can only be a good thing.

So the only way my I would be wrong is if you believe that cheating has nothing to do with football results!!!
If you do believe that cheating has no effect on results in football,have a blissful weekend
 
MrMan said:
As a United fan I guess you are desribing me as a 'deluded sheep' for enjoying watching them play and looking forward to the final next week. You have an obvious disdain for the game which begs the question 'why do you watch it'?
Do you support any soccer team?
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Deluded: to mislead the mind or judgement .

''If the hat fits wear it'' is the saying

I love football that is why It should not be reduced to a farce.

Off topic
 
mick1960 said:
My argument does not need weight, it is people who are deluded enough to think that cheating had nothing to do with results who need to prove that.

Can you prove that cheating has nothing to do with results? Because your example has nothing to do with that,and is often described as Smoke screen.

As for my very simple example.It was for people who do not have the faintest idea about football ,or chose not to understand the argument.
If you read my example and using a bit of independent thinking they can both be in the final without cheating.If a simple argument and a simple example is to complicated,there is no point labouring the point.The plus side is that is'' ignorance is bliss'' there will be thousands of people in a blissful state,which can only be a good thing.

So the only way my I would be wrong is if you believe that cheating has nothing to do with football results!!!
If you do believe that cheating has no effect on results in football,have a blissful weekend
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Yes it was a very simple example, and the question i ask is also very simple, How has cheating been the reason that United are in the final? To assume this is true is to assume that they cheated more than everyone else or that they are the only ones to cheat. Either way I believe to be untrue.
My 'smokescreen' was based on fact and highlighted actual events that led to the final. You have yet to pinpoint any factual event that can underpin your point.
I believe that it is misleading and a sweeping generalisation to state that cheating is a factor in football results.
 
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