Punishment of out-of-control gardai

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Simeon

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In light of the inquiry into the second 'officer using undue force against a protester' in London is there a possibility that these two reprobates will be put forward for promotion like our homegrown Mayday uniformed hero some years ago? The one who overlooked putting on his numbered ID.
 
The policman shouldn't have lashed out like that but come on, They have to put up with some amount of crap.

The people were not exactly protesting peacefully now were they. I think a few more should have been clocked on the head. Might put manners on them.
 
Niallers said:
The policman shouldn't have lashed out like that but come on, They have to put up with some amount of crap.

The people were not exactly protesting peacefully now were they. I think a few more should have been clocked on the head. Might put manners on them.
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We can only go on the evidence seen and the man who died seemed to just walk beside the police officer. Others may have done wrong but he struck an easy target and didn't have the balls to have his number visalbe when doing do. Actions of a coward.
 
The original post was referring to the second officer who hit the woman accross the legs,not the man who died.
 
Simeon said:
like our homegrown Mayday uniformed hero some years ago? The one who overlooked putting on his numbered ID.
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The one who was found not guilty? The video was nicely timed by the protestors, nothing shown when there were missiles thrown and general intimidation against the Gardai.

Those protesting in London recently and during the "reclaim the Streets" episode in Dublin deserved every clatter they got. Destrucion of property is alright by them as long as your spouting some anti-government jibberish. The unfortunate thing about these events is they are not quashed quick enough.
 
The Mayday matter was fully investigated and both court and internal disciplinary proceedings taken. Only one person was found guilty before the courts......and one guard was found not guilty by his peers, a jury made up of people like you and me.Would that not indicate that maybe his peers saw that the guards were in an impossible situation that day and outnumbered and hampered by a complete lack of managemnt by superior officers who disappeared when things got heated.
Internal disciplinary actions are not reported on but they were disciplined.
 
Sully1 said:
The Mayday matter was fully investigated and both court and internal disciplinary proceedings taken. Only one person was found guilty before the courts......and one guard was found not guilty by his peers, a jury made up of people like you and me.
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Would these be the same people who, although members of the gardai, were not able to recognise him (a colleague, whose full face was on film)? OK he was not wearing his ID (surely an offence) and he lost the plot by physically abusing a member of the public (surely an offence) and finally, wasting garda time by not owning up (surely an offence). Or perhaps he did not recognise himself (which may not be an offence, but would warrant psychiatric evaluation)? It may not be of Rodney King proportions but nevertheless ......
 
You'll find that a jury of the guard in questions peers are NOT Gardai but members of the public.
 
Point taken Sully1. But I don't seem to remember any media reports outlining the punishments meted out to the garda. In actual fact the only new info that I've read on him was regarding his promotion. Was he charged with breaking the law?
 
If you are charged with a matter then naturally you are charged with breaching a specific section of the law.You are not charged with 'breaking the law'. Most that were before the courts were charged with offences relating to the Non Fatal Offences Against the Person Act. All bar one were found not guilty.
 
Simeon said:
Would these be the same people who, although members of the gardai, were not able to recognise him (a colleague, whose full face was on film)? OK he was not wearing his ID (surely an offence) and he lost the plot by physically abusing a member of the public (surely an offence) and finally, wasting garda time by not owning up (surely an offence). Or perhaps he did not recognise himself (which may not be an offence, but would warrant psychiatric evaluation)? It may not be of Rodney King proportions but nevertheless ......
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Sully1 said:
If you are charged with a matter then naturally you are charged with breaching a specific section of the law.You are not charged with 'breaking the law'. Most that were before the courts were charged with offences relating to the Non Fatal Offences Against the Person Act. All bar one were found not guilty.
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Why engage in semantics over a pretty straight question. Was the garda charged with any of the three offences listed above? If you do not know the answer, someone else might.
 
Hey, you asked the question therefore you got an answer but you didn't like it! I merely pointed out no one gets charged with 'breaking the law' as that offence does not exist. You asked the question so be prepared to take the answer given
 
A cop just cannot lash out at anyone. This is banana republic behaviour. The tardiness on the police organisation to accept guilt on part of one of it's members is not acceptable. You get too many cases of officers closing ranks when something unsavoury comes into view. If the bad eggs were thrown out after due process, it would improve the gardai's standing all around. But "due process" should not be given a nudge here and there. Everything should be transparent.
 
bullbars said:
The one who was found not guilty? The video was nicely timed by the protestors, nothing shown when there were missiles thrown and general intimidation against the Gardai.
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THe video that I saw was timed and edited by RTE not the protesters. Do you reckon that RTE News were deliberately tampering with the evidence to give an unfair view of what happened?

And surely with the availability of YouTube etc, anyone with video showing an alternative angle was free to publish to the world?
 
Whether knocking him to the ground caused his death is not strictly relevant; the policeman attacked, from behind, a man who was trying to get home and who was walking along with his hands in his pockets.
He was posing no visible threat to any police officer and should not have been attacked.
 
Well don't post that they killed him so. Not aimed at you BillK

We all saw the same short clip and yes, he should not have been hit but why are people saying the police killed him?
Though there were plently in that crowd who deserved a baton charge! But this guy walking home from work wasn't involved

Unless you have access to medical reports or attended a coroners court session that hasn't happened yet, what do you know that we don't?
 
The clip I saw didn't show him being beaten with a truncheon. What I saw was the man being pushed from behind and falling to the ground.
 
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