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I thought, and I have yet to find someone who agrees with me, that it was very important for Donncha to be as 'physical' as he was. While handling the ball on the ground is amateurish, it does happen, especially in such a big game. I was actually urging him on when he went for Jones after his cynical (and it was cynical) trip on ROG in the first few minutes. This game was always going to be a physical contest between two aggressive packs. Welsh captain and pack leader nastily takes our playmaker and obvious defensive weak link out of it, colossal lock forward grabs him by the collar and lets him know in no uncertain terms that if its a fight they want to make of this, a fight you'll get and we will win it. Try to bully us and we'll more than stand up to you. A very important statement at an early stage.

I agree that O'Callaghan had a great game and the only thing I would fault him for is his very stupid push on Mike Phillips after he had knocked on. This led to a penalty for Wales that changed the momentum of the match shortly after the two Irish tries and it could have cost us the match.

I think it's mainly this incident that people are referring to when they criticise his performance and it's probably a bit unfair that it takes away from the immense contribution that he made throughout the match. Thankfully, we came through in the end and it would have been an awful injustice if this particular team (and O'Driscoll, O'Connell and O'Gara in particular) had not won a Grand Slam at some stage.

In some ways, the way the match finished reminded me of the way in which Padraig Harrington won his first major. Let's hope the Irish team can follow his example and add a couple more Grand Slams in quick succession.

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I personally think O'Driscoll has been playing well for the past 2 seasons but that the team around him were just not clicking or performing. For example I saw him as the only Irish player that played well in the World Cup despite being double marked and targeted in many matches (including the Bayonne match !).
Firstly he moved from 1st centre to 2nd centre this season and that helped his game - the reason he went to 1st centre were various (injuries to potential 1st centres like Darcy, to defend the 10 channel etc). 2nd centre is his best position.
Secondly when the team was not performing he was doing mainly defensive duties - he was (and still is) acting like a third flanker and doing all the dirty work trying to regain posession. His defensive work and ground work in past 2 seasons and indeed this season was unreal. Yet the people that are 'new' to rugby think he is poor unless he is scoring free running tries.
Thirdly, we are playing more keep-ball rugby with Kidney, more like the Munster gameplan. This gives us a platform and time to plan the attacks instead of kicking the ball away too often.

O''Driscoll scored 4 tries (I think) - 1 was an interception (he had a few of those this season, some vital). 1 was a classic centre burst and side step against France. 2 were Flanker/Forward tries from the base of the ruck on the line. I think there is a forward in Brian bursting to get out. Heaslip tongue-in-cheek said in an interview after England game that they were sickened to see a Back secure the try after all the hard work done by the Pack. What amazed me is that only 3 people in Cardiff knew O'Driscoll was going for a try when he did - himself, the ref and the welsh guy.

I am a Connacht fan so no allegiances. Bit sad to see the Munster-Leinster animosity appearing again on this thread so soon after a Grand Slam. Its so Irish.
 
I am a Connacht fan so no allegiances. Bit sad to see the Munster-Leinster animosity appearing again on this thread so soon after a Grand Slam. Its so Irish.

I don't think there is no anomosity in this thread. There is no harm in having a healthy rivalry and no that doesn't extend to cheering for foreign opposition against one of the Irish provinces. If you want to see Leinster-Munster animosity, you should listen to the players in private. Most of them might be friends and have the height of respect for each other and the cliques in the Irish squad may have been eliminated but by God, they want to beat the crap out of each other when they meet!

Are you saying as a Connacht fan you didn't get a particular sense of plaeasure from beating Munster and Leinster earlier in the season?
 
I think it's time now for people to celebrate, truly, the outstanding, world class player that our very own Brian O' Driscoll is. I won't generalise on this, but I have heard so many people not giving him the full credit he has deserved all along. He has, to my mind, been Ireland's most outstanding player over the past 10 years. Saturday showed just how complete a player he is. From his try, to his absolutely massive tackle on Shanklin (I don't think I saw anyone else put Shanklin down like that all match). He surely has to be in the running for world player of the year this year, how he's never won it is beyond me.

And to the rest of those wonderful men, thank you so much for making dreams come true for a nation. I have watched the match four times already since Saturday and every time, seeing their immense contributions, putting their bodies on the line, has brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for implanting this immortal memory in my mind :)
 
Are you saying as a Connacht fan you didn't get a particular sense of plaeasure from beating Munster and Leinster earlier in the season?

They were sweet victories and long overdue but we're still bottom of Magners League. Its a pity there were no Connacht players on the Grand Slam team too.
 
They were sweet victories and long overdue but we're still bottom of Magners League. Its a pity there were no Connacht players on the Grand Slam team too.

True. Honestly thought this could be the year for Connacht and heineken cup rugby but they are still a couple of players short to get the required consistency. Still not sure the IRFU know what they want from Connacht rugby because they are not being used properly as a development side and they are aren't given the resources to compete either.
 
What is it about soccer that makes you consider and excuse of a sport?

It's my personal opinion.

his very stupid push on Mike Phillips
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I agree, that was needless and churlish. Consistency of refereeing would have seen Wales penalised too for Adam Jones' (albeit attempted) pat on the head for Marcus Horan.

I personally think O'Driscoll has been playing well for the past 2 seasons but that the team around him were just not clicking or performing. For example I saw him as the only Irish player that played well in the World Cup despite being double marked and targeted in many matches (including the Bayonne match !).
Firstly he moved from 1st centre to 2nd centre this season and that helped his game - the reason he went to 1st centre were various (injuries to potential 1st centres like Darcy, to defend the 10 channel etc). 2nd centre is his best position.
Secondly when the team was not performing he was doing mainly defensive duties - he was (and still is) acting like a third flanker and doing all the dirty work trying to regain posession. His defensive work and ground work in past 2 seasons and indeed this season was unreal. Yet the people that are 'new' to rugby think he is poor unless he is scoring free running tries.
Thirdly, we are playing more keep-ball rugby with Kidney, more like the Munster gameplan. This gives us a platform and time to plan the attacks instead of kicking the ball away too often.

O''Driscoll scored 4 tries (I think) - 1 was an interception (he had a few of those this season, some vital). 1 was a classic centre burst and side step against France. 2 were Flanker/Forward tries from the base of the ruck on the line. I think there is a forward in Brian bursting to get out. Heaslip tongue-in-cheek said in an interview after England game that they were sickened to see a Back secure the try after all the hard work done by the Pack. What amazed me is that only 3 people in Cardiff knew O'Driscoll was going for a try when he did - himself, the ref and the welsh guy.

I am a Connacht fan so no allegiances. Bit sad to see the Munster-Leinster animosity appearing again on this thread so soon after a Grand Slam. Its so Irish.

First off, I don't think there's any animosity here, more ruing what could have been in years gone by had the animosity not existed. Munster and Leinster kicking lumps out of each other on the pitch is good for Irish rugby once they can, as Irish players, play with and for each other in the green jersey. That's what they've finally done this season.Should they meet in the HC semi (here's hoping!), I don't think you'll see ROG jumping the hoarding should he score a try!

O Driscoll has been immense since he first put on the jersey. You're right, he hasn't played badly in the last few years, his defensive capabilities and his workrate have never diminished, far from it. Let's face facts - ROG is a gaping hole that's there to be exploited by the opposition, O Driscoll was his bodyguard. That's why it was so worrying to see the slight frame of Paddy Wallace put at inside centre - two gaping holes!! O Driscoll is unbelievable at staying on his feet and turning ball over in the tackle, just ask Gavin Henson (will he ever wear a Welsh jersey again???)

Connacht have ben a fantastic side given the almost laughable support they get from the IRFU.Fair play for beating Munster in the League, it was well deserved, ye destroyed us TBH. I'd like to see the young out-half (can't remember his name, think he's actually from Leinster) given a chance to show what he can do on a bigger stage under the influence of ROG as he seems to be one of the very few young 10s in the country who has potential.
 
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Has anyone read Master Myers' columm in today's Indo? Surely it is an auspicious time for his loved one's to suggest he "spend more time with his family" - under the aegis of a friendly clinic. Thereby giving everyone a break :)
 
...O Driscoll was his bodyguard. That's why it was so worrying to see the slight frame of Paddy Wallace put at inside centre - two gaping holes!!

Yeah and Look what happened to poor Wallace's face - He was beaten up !! O'Driscoll is tough as nails. Ask Flutey and Armitage.

Connacht have ben a fantastic side given the almost laughable support they get from the IRFU.Fair play for beating Munster in the League, it was well deserved, ye destroyed us TBH. I'd like to see the young out-half (can't remember his name, think he's actually from Leinster) given a chance to show what he can do on a bigger stage under the influence of ROG as he seems to be one of the very few young 10s in the country who has potential.

Keatley is good but not international class in my opinion. I do think IRFU should support Connacht more. Better chance of finding a new O'Gara, Hayes etc with 4 choices rathen than 3 especially considering foreign players.
 
I've no axe to grind as I don't like any sport but surely Baldyman your low opinion of soccer as a game is informed by the many thuggish players (esp in the English Premier) and the behaviour of some of the low life fans?

Not as much of a problem in Rugby. Do you need to maybe separate the game from the culture a bit more? :)

FWIW, I think the skill aspect/appreciation of talent is much more obvious in soccer when compared to rugby - I mean as long as you are built like the proverbial outhouse and can throw and catch a ball, sure anyone can play rugby (;))
 
I've no axe to grind as I don't like any sport but surely Baldyman your low opinion of soccer as a game is informed by the many thuggish players (esp in the English Premier) and the behaviour of some of the low life fans?

Not as much of a problem in Rugby. Do you need to maybe separate the game from the culture a bit more? :)

FWIW, I think the skill aspect/appreciation of talent is much more obvious in soccer when compared to rugby - I mean as long as you are built like the proverbial outhouse and can throw and catch a ball, sure anyone can play rugby (;))

You covered yourself nicely there Caveat!! MR Man, TBH I'm only rising you, though I do detest the game and not for the reasons outlined above. Its sitting through a game for 90 mins and often not even seeing one score that gets me, esp.when the games that are watched and the teams that are supported are full of overpaid nancy boys. I watch hurling (on the cards again for us thank God) and rugby enthusiastically and its bloody hard to watch 90 mins of no scores, just lads rolling around in mock agony having been petted on the bottom by an opponent.

Rant over.
 
You covered yourself nicely there Caveat!! MR Man, TBH I'm only rising you, though I do detest the game and not for the reasons outlined above. Its sitting through a game for 90 mins and often not even seeing one score that gets me, esp.when the games that are watched and the teams that are supported are full of overpaid nancy boys. I watch hurling (on the cards again for us thank God) and rugby enthusiastically and its bloody hard to watch 90 mins of no scores, just lads rolling around in mock agony having been petted on the bottom by an opponent.

Rant over.

In the mid 80's I was in America and an international match between Czechoslovakia and some other country was televised. True to form, they broke for commercials every ten minutes or so and while they were away (about the 80th minute), the only goal of the game was scored! And they didn't even show the replay until the game was over.

Makes you wonder why soccer never really caught on over there. :rolleyes:
 
And when they had the World Cup in '94, they wanted matches broken into four quarters for tv purposes.
 
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