Why have beagle dogs bad reps?

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I can't believe that, I asked in the misc section are pocket beagle dogs very energetic as we wouldn't get one if it was as away at work all day and I have basically got the RSPCA committee on my back. I am a huge dog/animal lover and have never lived without one in the house but moving into my own house now, hence the enquiry. Cruelty discusts me.

So, because we work all day (my husband will go home at lunch), you state we can't own a dog even though it will get loads of love off us in the evenings and weekends. So, basically, anyone who works two jobs in a household, which most couples do, you can't own a dog, even though it will have a large pen and kennel. Get a life. Dogs are overloading kennels at the moment because people are abandoning or leaving animals at the side of the road because they can't afford to keep them due to finances or moving away. I am sure a wee dog in a kennel would love to come to our home instead. Anyway, we will see what the kennel experts advise re care when we go to see about a dog.
 
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So you think that leaving a dog, an animal that is by nature a pack animal and craves company, alone all day long 5 days a week is not cruel?

I disagree. I would LOVE a dog, but I know it wouldnt be fair to a dog in my home as myself and my partner both work mon-fri, 9-5. In fact, if you contact the DSPCA they will tell you that they do not recommend people who have living/working arrangements like that to get a dog as it is unfair on the animal.

You may love dogs but I dont know if you understand them if you think that leaving them alone that often is ok.
 
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Yup, I have to agree with you. I have two dogs and three cats and we both work all day. We put in an awful lot of effort with the dogs mornings,evenings and weekends as a result and we tend to keep them in with us in the evenings when we're in the sitting room (guilt probably). Anyway, point is it's not an ideal situation to be working all day and for the dog to be on it's own but you can make it work and as op said, it's better than having a lot of dogs in the pounds. We have two dogs so they do keep each other company which helps.

Re beagle dogs I don't know a lot about them but I do know that they can get quite lonely if left on their own so probably not the best choice for your situation. Beagles are very willful as well and I know from a friend that had one that they were quite difficult to train, that said they are fairly passive animals. I wonder would you consider something like a greyhound?, not a popular choice I know but great animal, require very little exercise and very gentle/passive??

Best of luck
 
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ney001 said:
Yup, I have to agree with you. I have two dogs and three cats and we both work all day.
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Different situation when the dog has company during the day in the form of another dog (pack member).

People need to realise that a dog requires a committment and responsibility, walks and exercise twice a day, company, mental stimulation, good living conditions etc...

Ney001 - I disagree that greyhounds need very little exercise, they need as much as any dog, walks twice a day plus off leash exercise.

There has been a recent thread where someone suggested restraining a dog in a garden on a spike and chain! I honestly dont know where ignorance ends and cruelty begins.

OP - have you done any research into dog behaviour and needs?

Incidently - you will be hard pressed to find a shelter who will rehome a dog with people who wont be there all day.
 
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ney001 said:
I wonder would you consider something like a greyhound?, not a popular choice I know but great animal, require very little exercise and very gentle/passive??
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:eek: Really? Not at all in my experience.

BTW, broadly agree with truthseeker.
 
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truthseeker said:
Different situation when the dog has company during the day in the form of another dog (pack member).

People need to realise that a dog requires a committment and responsibility, walks and exercise twice a day, company, mental stimulation, good living conditions etc...

Ney001 - I disagree that greyhounds need very little exercise, they need as much as any dog, walks twice a day plus off leash exercise.

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Quote from this website:

http://www.dog-breed-facts.com/Breeds/greyhound.html

Greyhounds are sensitive, loving, gentle and obedient dogs. These hounds make wonderful family pets and get along very well with older children and other larger dogs. Because of his hunting heritage, he will chase small dogs and cats. This breed is gentle and quiet and prefers peace and quiet. Young children and toddlers can be too rough for the touch sensitive Greyhound. These hounds don’t need long exercise sessions as they have lots of speed but not too much endurance. After they mature, these hounds turn into couch-potatoes. The breed is intelligent and can be fairly easy to train because they are so co-operative. Training must be done with sensitivity and gentle patience to enhance the confidence of the breed. Greyhounds do best with experienced owners. If given sufficient exercise this breed can even adapt to being left alone during the day.



I have a book at home about every breed of dog which is why I know greyhounds are a good choice!.

All due respect Truthseeker, no dog owner is going to be perfect - it's not always possible to walk a dog twice a day even if you are at home! What you can do is provide a good home, clean bed, good healthy food and regular exercise as well as lots of attention and love. Owning a dog is not an exact science, usually it's trial and error, you don't have to stick to a regime of two walks a day etc - regular exercise and common sense will do.


To the OP, I don't think Beagle suits your purposes - can be very destructive if left alone, I would definitely consider getting two dogs together for the reasons stated above.
 
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Abbica said:
So, because we work all day (my husband will go home at lunch), you state we can't own a dog even though it will get loads of love off us in the evenings and weekends.
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A relative of mine had a dog that he and his wife loved to bits in the evenings and weekends. But it drove the neighbours crazy barking all day long and it turned into a very aggressive animal. A dog lover myself, it was dreadful to see what had been a promising pup go off so badly. The dog lived for about 12 years and spent most of it wandering around the back garden alone. I think that is a cruel way to treat an animal.

Abbica said:
So, basically, anyone who works two jobs in a household, which most couples do, you can't own a dog, even though it will have a large pen and kennel. Get a life.
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If you have lots of space perhaps you would consider getting two dogs rather than one so that they have company during the day. That said, you will then have a problem if for some reason they don't get on with each other.

Abbica said:
I am sure a wee dog in a kennel would love to come to our home instead.
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Well most places wouldn't give you one. From :
"We are often asked if it is possible to adopt a dog if the prospective owners work full-time and the dog would have to be left alone all day. The answer is usually no. This is because we do not recommend that a dog should be left alone for longer than four hours at a time."
 
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truthseeker said:
There has been a recent thread where someone suggested restraining a dog in a garden on a spike and chain! I honestly dont know where ignorance ends and cruelty begins.
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i know plenty of farmers who tie their dogs up at nighttime. Would call them cruel at all.
 
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TreeTiger said:
If you have lots of space perhaps you would consider getting two dogs rather than one so that they have company during the day. That said, you will then have a problem if for some reason they don't get on with each other.
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I think this is the best option, it is possible to get sibling pups which may eliminate the problem of them not getting on. However, pups at home on their own is not a good idea, they do need constant training! I have two dogs, one is 5, the other is 2, they don't have any problems getting on, never did so I guess it depends on the breed of the dog, you will really have to do your homework - Beagles definitely not a runner!
 
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I also know a number of people who do this in rural areas, mainly because dogs tend to roam and hunt at night. Don't like it myself, I think you should have adequate fencing/housing for the dog at night.
 
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ney001 said:
All due respect Truthseeker, no dog owner is going to be perfect - it's not always possible to walk a dog twice a day even if you are at home! What you can do is provide a good home, clean bed, good healthy food and regular exercise as well as lots of attention and love. Owning a dog is not an exact science, usually it's trial and error, you don't have to stick to a regime of two walks a day etc - regular exercise and common sense will do.
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I agree - the optimum is walks twice a day plus off leash exercise, but deviating from this should be considered the exception rather than the norm, to start off at the outset with a plan to leave a dog alone all day in a 'large pen' is not putting the thought into the responsibility that comes with an animal.
It really depends on personal circumstances, if a dog is being mentally and physically stimulated by being with people all day who play with him and throw a ball etc... then he may not need so much 'formal' walking.

Not to detract from your long quote but I wouldnt take much stock in random webpages - check out the DSPCAs website and their section on Lurchers (greyhound crosses), they recommend the same amount of exercise as any dog, as do the staff in Kerry Greyhound Connection - who are a great resource for rehoming greyhounds and lurchers with years of experience. In my personal experience I find them to be 'couch rockets', 23 hours a day asleep on the couch and then madly running around for a half hour twice a day - lovely dogs actually, very gentle with kids as well - although some of the larger ones may be too big for someone without experience to take on.
 
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I suppose it depends on what the dog is there for, if they are farm dog they are not going to be in the house so will be used to control animals for security at night. Generally they would have decent decent shelter to the sides of house/shed but would be tied to something to stop them wandering/attacking animals at night.
Is it cruel? i really don't know, the dogs seem content happy!
 
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truthseeker said:
I would. And I would report them for cruelty also.
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You would be very busy in the countryside so.
Can i give you a scenario, a farmer has a dog who is a bit 'mad' and runs about all over the place when loose.What would you suggest he does? Put the animal down? Send to the pound? Lock him in a shed?
 
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Seconding Ney's point about Greyhounds, one of the dog charities - maybe PAWS - have a re-homing policy for the many, many retired Greyhounds in Ireland and actually send them to Denmark as I think as its nearly impossible to find good homes for them here and they are considered good pets for working families there. They are described as '60mph Couch Potatoes' so if an owner can take them to a park once or twice a day where they can get a run in they will happily sit at home for the rest of the day. This was on the regular dog adoption slot on the TV3 morning show, sorry I can't remember the Charity name but they are based in the midlands and have or had a weekly slot on the show.
 
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ludermor said:
You would be very busy in the countryside so.
Can i give you a scenario, a farmer has a dog who is a bit 'mad' and runs about all over the place when loose.What would you suggest he does? Put the animal down? Send to the pound? Lock him in a shed?
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Keeps him in a suitably fenced in area when not working.
 
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truthseeker said:
I agree - the optimum is walks twice a day plus off leash exercise, but deviating from this should be considered the exception rather than the norm, to start off at the outset with a plan to leave a dog alone all day in a 'large pen' is not putting the thought into the responsibility that comes with an animal.
It really depends on personal circumstances, if a dog is being mentally and physically stimulated by being with people all day who play with him and throw a ball etc... then he may not need so much 'formal' walking.

Not to detract from your long quote but I wouldnt take much stock in random webpages - check out the DSPCAs website and their section on Lurchers (greyhound crosses), they recommend the same amount of exercise as any dog, as do the staff in Kerry Greyhound Connection - who are a great resource for rehoming greyhounds and lurchers with years of experience. In my personal experience I find them to be 'couch rockets', 23 hours a day asleep on the couch and then madly running around for a half hour twice a day - lovely dogs actually, very gentle with kids as well - although some of the larger ones may be too big for someone without experience to take on.
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Okay, Paws website recommends a couple of short sprints a day, again specifying that greyhounds are not an endurance animals. In my experience they do not require the same amount of exercise as other dogs and if your garden is big enough they could sprint there. Exercise aside they are a good choice of dog to have around the home. There are dogs out there who can adopt to being left at home, particularly if somebody pops in during the day as OP stated her husband would be doing. I have been a dog owner all my life and I have to tell you it's not always black and white, sometimes you have to make exceptions and sometimes the dog has to fit in around your schedule but that's life, if you miss a walk on a Monday, do it on Tuesday!. Relax, have fun with your dog and above all enjoy. Re the pen, I was initially told when I got my dog (which was a rescue dog as well) to put him into a large pen during the day so that he wouldn't be destructive - dogs with a lot of space tend to be more destructive!. The pen would have to be a large one, and to the OP I would recommend a kennel and large dog run rather than a pen. Quite honestly, I think the dog would be fine once you choose the correct type of dog, visit him during lunch and exercise regularly.
 
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ludermor said:
You would be very busy in the countryside so.
Can i give you a scenario, a farmer has a dog who is a bit 'mad' and runs about all over the place when loose.What would you suggest he does? Put the animal down? Send to the pound? Lock him in a shed?
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No offense but no farmer I know would keep a dog who is a 'bit mad'!
 
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ney001 said:
Okay, Paws website recommends a couple of short sprints a day, again specifying that greyhounds are not an endurance animals. In my experience they do not require the same amount of exercise as other dogs and if your garden is big enough they could sprint there.
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Youd need an enormous garden, these animals are the second fastest land mammal, they could cover huge ground in seconds.

ney001 said:
Exercise aside they are a good choice of dog to have around the home.
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Couldnt agree more.

ney001 said:
There are dogs out there who can adopt to being left at home, particularly if somebody pops in during the day as OP stated her husband would be doing.
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Disagree, different if the dog has another dog for company but long days penned up alone not good for any dog.

ney001 said:
I have been a dog owner all my life and I have to tell you it's not always black and white, sometimes you have to make exceptions and sometimes the dog has to fit in around your schedule but that's life, if you miss a walk on a Monday, do it on Tuesday!. Relax, have fun with your dog and above all enjoy.
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As have I and I agree you have to make exceptions, but there are some non negotiable things - like not leaving a dog alone every day for long periods of time as a 'norm'.
 
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