I see they are definately scrapping this now after an opposition motion was defeated tonight. It makes me really angry but sure what can we do, they are leaving harney in charge for the long hall by the looks of things
I think there has to be more to it than what we are hearing as surely Harney wouldn't put herself in the line of fire over €10million. I heard her speak to Ray d'Arcy and thought she put her point across very well while he clearly couldn't cope with her.
That's the only one being put foreward.I have not heard one reasonable argument against introducing the vacine apart from economic cost.
And there's nothing reasonable about that excuse either.That's the only one being put foreward.
Well then should probably look at the hundreds of thousands that she is spending on public relations and press advisors and ask is she getting value for money. I have not heard one reasonable argument against introducing the vacine apart from economic cost.
That's the only one being put foreward.
She has said that the vaccine will be introduced just not next year as planned and that the screening will be put in place first which makes some sense. As it is to do with sexual activity the vaccination of 12 year old girls can surely be put off for a year or two. She also said that the vaccination will be brought to secondary schools to pick up on the girls that have missed out at primary level. So she is not saying she wont introduce it she is saying that she has the funds to do one at a time and the screening process is more important as it will pick up on problems already existing and hopefully save lives.
do you really think if there isn't enough to do 12 year olds now that there will be enough for a catch up programme in a few years time? the screening programme is already in place
The other valid point was that 12 old girls (in the vast majority of cases) are not sexually active and shouldn't be by law until 17.
It's not just a question of vaccinating before a girl becomes sexually active. The vaccine is most effective at 11-12 when immune levels are naturally higher than at older ages. From the Mayo Clinic website:The other valid point was that 12 old girls (in the vast majority of cases) are not sexually active and shouldn't be by law until 17.
€600 for a few visits to the doctor (and the practice nurse will administer the vaccine anyway) and the cost of the vaccine itself. How does the €600 cost break down (what is the vaccine cost and what is the cost to administer)?
This is like the “Gold Card” for over 70’s; the health service can’t negotiate a reasonable price with their suppliers so when they get fleeced they throw their toys out of the pram.
I've heard that the cost here is double that in other countries which is a bit of a sickener. The doctor who did the research that led to the vaccine was on the radio this morning - he gets NONE of the royalties/profits so I guess the spoils are split mainly to the drug company and some to the doctors practices administering the vaccine. The doctor did get the Nobel prize though which is something...€600 for a few visits to the doctor (and the practice nurse will administer the vaccine anyway) and the cost of the vaccine itself. How does the €600 cost break down (what is the vaccine cost and what is the cost to administer)?
I'm certainly hoping to pre-pay the course of three and I don't think the doctor will refuse! Given that many professionals require full pre-payment, I don't think there will be any issue from Revenue with pre-paying - the expense could be argued to be 'incurred' once you sign up for the course of three. We have pre-paid orthodontist bills due over the next year or so and I think this is fairly common at the moment. Orthodontists, obstetricians and cervical cancer vaccine doctors will probably have a very happy Christmas this year with all the pre-payments - and a lean 2009 (but at least they'll escape the 1% income levy on all the money they are pre-paid in 2008!)it will not be possible to have the course completed by the end of the year. Should we pay for the course up front then this year to avail of the higher rate relief? .... So should I hand over the €660 at the first visit in 2008? Is this allowed even if the course can't be finished til mid 2009?