Investment Strategy to Increase Diversification and Lower Costs!

ronaldo

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I posted this question on Yahoo and The Fool to see what feedback I'd get there. You can view the replies at:

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Another advantage of the strategy is the avoidance of the new "8 year rule" which I hate considering I plan to be a longterm (15+ years) investor. I avoided mentioning the 8 year rule on the above websites as they are UK based and the rule doesn't apply there. A copy of the original post is below:



I am interested in starting investing in European shares. It will be my first time investing in any shares. However, I have been reading up alot this past long time and would like advice on my proposed strategy.

Basically, I will be starting with a single lump sum that I've in the bank of £12,000 which equates to about €16,000.

I don't like the idea of index trackers - they're usually to overweight in the sector of the moment. For example, most indexes were very overweight in Financials prior to the recent turmoil.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, with a basket of shares as opposed to an index tracker, you control your exposure to any particular sector and, had you thought banking was overvalued, you may have limited your exposure to bank stocks and, therefore, most of the declines of the past 6 months.

I think this, in particular, is a very good time to get started in the stock market as I'm young and I like the idea of starting accumulating my shares on a down market so that, when it turns, I'm in front of the tide.

My basic idea is to join Interactive Brokers. They have a minimum charge of $10 per month which is about £5 or €6.50. However, the cost of your trades are taken out of this. Therefore, as European shares cost €4 per trade (up to €4,000), I can do 1 trade of European shares per month for €6.50 or 2 trades of European shares per month for €8.

My plan is to do split the €16,000 lump sum into 8 batchs of €2,000 and invest in €1,000 in each of 2 shares per month for 8 months. As it'll cost €8 per month, my initial commissions will cost 0.4%. After the 8 months, I plan to reduce my trades to 1 per month and invest €500 per month from my salary. The commissions here will cost €6.50 per month (or 1.3% per trade).

However, another way to look at it is as a fund with a value of €16,000 with an annual charge of €78 (less than 0.5%) and one free trade per month. This annual percentage charge will reduce as my fund grows.

To pick the shares, my strategy is to sort the Eurostoxx 50 by either market capitalisation or dividend yield. I will then pick shares from the top down until I have 15 shares whilst selecting a maximum of 2 shares in any sector. This will result in a portfolio which is far more diversified than the index itself as I will have less than 15% of my porfolio in any sector.

Then, once I have my 15 shares, I will start buying US shares. As these only cost $1 per hundred to buy, I'll be able to select 10 US shares and buy an equal amount of each every month whilst keeping my commissions at only £5.

With regards to selling, I plan to sell the share(s) that have appreciated the most each year and buy the next share on the list as ordered by market capitalisation or dividend yield - this allows me to use my CGT tax free allowance and take advantage of the buy-low, sell-high theory.

Also, when I've accumulated my desired proportion of Eurostoxx to US shares (as well as possibly some Emerging Market ETFs'), I'll start buying more of my original 15 Eurostoxx shares starting with the one that has depreciated the most (or risen the least) - again to take advantage of the buy low-sell high theory.

Is this a relatively sensible strategy???
 
Sounds like a giant waste of time and effort to me. If you are so concerned about overweighting sectors by buying an index why noy buy a Rydex equal weight ETF?
 
Because, in buying the ETF, I encounter the same dealing charges, have the additional annual management charge (which is always increasing as my fund increases) and won't be able to take advantage of my annual CGT free allowance. I also have to pay taxes on gains every year after year 8.

The strategy won't take much time - just select the next share on the list and buy it through your broker. You'd have to go through your broker to buy the ETF anyway so the above strategy involves an extra 2-3 minutes per month.

The savings over the ETF are:

A possible €1,270 per year tax free gains - worth a total of €254 per year
A saving of 0.4% of the fund value per year (the Expense Ratio of the Rydex equal weight ETF)

In addition, and possibly the biggest benefit is that I can let my porfolio grow pre-tax for as long as I like before selling.
 
0.4% of €16,000 is €64, just not worth the hassle.

Lost me on your CGT computation, how is €1270 worth €254?
 
Its a strategy I like, I'm following something similar myself. Once you use a lump sum for the US broker, since the cost of transferring cash would be high. I use a European broker so the cost of transferring funds is zero, it allows me to trade every month. Although the brokerage is much higher. With the 8 year rule, I wouldn't touch ETFs with a barge pole. Especially non-Irish resident funds. At least the Irish ones are obliged to sort out the tax for you (except marginal income tax on distributions).
 
I did something similar myself over the past few months.

I had intially bought ETF's (Ishares only as these could be held in crest) but I got a scare with all this sub-prime stuff as Ishares are owned by barclays which were supposed to take a big hit (€40 billion) and all my eggs were with them.

So I sold the majority of them and bought the shares directly hoping to track the Eurostoxx50 - choosing the shares from the index based on P/E debt ratios etc. and diversification.

Now while I am down money at the moment I am outperforming the Index so I don't feel too bad about the future.
 
Ronaldo,

What you are basically saying is that by picking stocks in a predetermined sequence according to your criteria, you think you will outperform the index. Best of luck but there is absolutely no guarantee that you will succeed.

I don't quite get your idea to take your CGT allowance each year -is that not what they call "pulling out the flowers and watering the weeds"? If you hold an ETF can you not just sell some shares in the ETF each year to take advantage of the CGT allowance?

Generally, I think your plan is flawed because you are too concerned with keeping costs and tax low and are paying too little attention to what you are actually buying. Why the EuroSTOXX 50? Why US stocks?
 
What you are basically saying is that by picking stocks in a predetermined sequence according to your criteria, you think you will outperform the index. Best of luck but there is absolutely no guarantee that you will succeed.

This is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that I should, theoretically, match the index (possibly a little above or below) but avoid the additional 0.4% expenses per year, avoid the 8-year deemed disposal rule and am able to take advantage of my CGT allowance.

I don't quite get your idea to take your CGT allowance each year -is that not what they call "pulling out the flowers and watering the weeds"? If you hold an ETF can you not just sell some shares in the ETF each year to take advantage of the CGT allowance?

Well, considering this is an automated process of share selection, there is nothing to say that the 16th company in the Eurostoxx 50 isn't as good a company as the company that you already hold that has already risen in value and is, possibly, overvalued at this point. Also, ETF's do not allow you to take advantage of your CGT allowance as they are taxed differently ( @ 23% ).

Generally, I think your plan is flawed because you are too concerned with keeping costs and tax low and are paying too little attention to what you are actually buying. Why the EuroSTOXX 50? Why US stocks?

You can pick anything, any ETF, any index tracker, etc. and use the above method to take advantage of the lower costs and extra diversification.
 
0.4% of €16,000 is €64, just not worth the hassle.

Lost me on your CGT computation, how is €1270 worth €254?

€1270 worth of gains that would normally be taxed @ 20%. Therefore, it's €254 saved on tax. Also, the hassle is going to be there whether buying ETF's or using the above automated method of picking shares. It might take an extra 5 minutes a month to download the Excel spreadsheet for the Eurostoxx 50 for that month from the Stoxx website, sort them by market cap and select the next on the list.

That's 1 hour extra per year for a possible saving of €64 + €254 = €318 per year (not to mention avoiding the 8-year deemed disposal rule)
 
CGT does not apply to ETFs, you pay 23% on any gain on disposal. There's no exemption as far as I'm aware. As always, I'm open to correction.
 
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