Will Stan go?

Staunton now looks to be the third Irish soccer manager in succession to be forced out of his job because the team wasn't winning.
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Its not just a case of not winning - its also a case of not performing - its also a case of not improving - its also a case of going backwards instead of forwards. Thats the reality - we're actually getting worse instead of better. Stan has had plenty of time to get the show on the road and its just not happening. You dont need to be a football expert to see that. Whatever about results. If we were 12 games with 1 defeat and out of the euro race BUT playing good football and LOOKING like we were making progress then there wouldnt be the outcry that there currently is. Its the fact that its getting worse by the day thats the main problem.
 
As a football fan, i'll respond with regard to Stan's situation. His teams are not performing or winning. His appointment was greeted with widespread disbelief and he's done nothing to dispell that since. That's why he has to go. It's not some sort of manifest change in our national psyche, it's a response to our perceived standing in international football since circa 1988. Actually even before the Jack's Army bandwagon we wouldn't have tolerated results such as we've had recently.

Kerr was treated badly in my opinion and Mc Carthy had run out of ideas and had to go.

As a non-rugby fan, surely the supposedly greatest rugby manager we've ever had and the supposedly greatest team we've ever had , deserve stick after the worst ever performance in a rugby world cup??
 
The whole Stan appointment was a risk and it hasn't worked. It could have worked as it did for Mark Hughes, Roy Keane, Jurgen Klinsmann etc, but it hasn't. Stan should see the light now and step down, he may not ever be management material. I don't agree that the FAI are totally to blame, as Stan took on the job as a grown man knowingly accepting €450,000 per annum. He didn't know his own limits, he hadn't taken any couching courses and he appointed a reserve coach as his no.2. So he did little to enhance his chances and has relied on spin and tunnel vision rather than being open and honest with the paying public. The further he has gotten into trouble regarding flak from the press the more outrageous his tactical decisions which almost look like he was hoping that he would unearth a player in a new position to make him look like a manager.

Some people have taken a pop a Robbie Keane and co and fair enough in some cases, but do people really think that professional football is akin to picking 11 players and letting their ability do the talking. Coaching is the main ingredient to success in any sport, talent has to be nurtered to suit the teams needs. This has not happened in the last 2 years.

The next coach needs to be strong willed and experienced at the very least. We have a decent bunch of players we could have a squad of premiership players at our disposal now so we need a coach to point us towards the promised land in 2010.

One last point, when the eircom man of the match was given to a cypriot was it called out over the intercom?. Prob wasn't just like the attendance. The FAI will try to brush last night aside
 
MrMan said:
One last point, when the eircom man of the match was given to a cypriot was it called out over the intercom?. Prob wasn't just like the attendance. The FAI will try to brush last night aside
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Yeah your right there, I didnt hear any mention of a 'man of the match'

And what was with the massive Garda and steward presence down at the canal end/cusack stand at the end of the game ?? Was it to stop people singing "Get Staunton Out"???
 
RonanC said:
And what was with the massive Garda and steward presence down at the canal end/cusack stand at the end of the game ?? Was it to stop people singing "Get Staunton Out"???
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Maybe had something to do with [broken link removed]
 
ubiquitous that is an excellent post, and actually puts in better words, and sentences, that which I was trying to say. I read, and heard, Irish "fans" talking about Bernard Dunne in such negative ways after his first loss, and it was sickening. It seems we've totally bought into this American/British idea of perfect records and being unbeatable. Yes nobody seems to realise, it's sport, it's not meant to be perfect, nothing is. It was the imperfection of Muhammed Ali's win in Zaire that made the closing seconds so memorable. It was the fact that Ronie Whelan's shin looped the ball past the cheating Dasayev in Hannover that made that moment stand out.

Ireland are not world beaters, nevre have been or will be (wit shuch attitudes). I know David McWilliams is having a field day with the rhetoric and venom goind around Ireland right now, and I'd to turn off Morning Ireland after "fans" were interviewed while leaving the game early.

Erin go brea my backside!

ubiquitous said:
Not being a soccer fan as such, I can't comment knowledgeably on Staunton's shortcomings but I have noticed some unpleasant trends among Irish sports fans in general who nowadays seem to demand success at all costs and who are very intolerant and impatient of any sort of failure, even when there are clear reasons to explain such failure.

A few examples

- Staunton now looks to be the third Irish soccer manager in succession to be forced out of his job because the team wasn't winning.

- Eddie O'Sullivan was widely feted as being the greatest Irish rugby coach ever and one of the best in the world, when he renewed his IRFU contract a few months ago. This changed quickly when we failed to beat the two World Cup semi-finalists.

- Every time the Olympics are on, there is a terrible whinge about why we aren't winning as many medals as countries much bigger than us.

- Approximately one-third of the GAA county teams managers are sacked each year, despite the fact that only a few counties can realistically aspire to All Ireland success at any given time. This autumn, Dublin came very very close to beating a Kerry team that are head and shoulders above everyone else in the country, and in the following days, the "experts" were calling for their manager to be sacked. Mayo fired their manager last year despite their best season in donkey's years, because they didn't manage to beat Kerry in the All Ireland Final. Cork footballers now look set to do likewise this year. Counties like Sligo and Cavan, with little record of success, have even fired managers for losing relatively inconsequential league games.

Crazy, crazy, crazy...
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Staunton now looks to be the third Irish soccer manager in succession to be forced out of his job because the team wasn't winning.
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One had 4 years the other two had 2 years to prove themselves. Football managers do well to last 4 years. There are a number of reasons for losing their jobs but bad results coupled with oft below par performances would sound the death knell for many careers not just the well paid position offered by the FAI.

Eddie O'Sullivan was widely feted as being the greatest Irish rugby coach ever and one of the best in the world, when he renewed his IRFU contract a few months ago. This changed quickly when we failed to beat the two World Cup semi-finalists
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I agree with you here as although he is as hard to listen to as Stan, Eddie has done a fine job over the years. I believe the pre cup hype put paid to our chances here and we got a little ahead of ourselves. I felt the criticism of the team was way over board on this one.

Every time the Olympics are on, there is a terrible whinge about why we aren't winning as many medals as countries much bigger than us.
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It's usually why are we not winning any medals. I think that is a reasonable question as we have seen the country develop, we have the ambition and the money, why can't we match other countries ona man to man basis. Surely it is an area that should be improved upon as is the fact that we cannot produce any tennis pro's of note when one can see that all of the raw materials are in place.

On your last point, alot of the GAA appointments are concerned with in house politics and always will be from junior to inter county level.
 
It's interesting you bring up tennis, as it is an area Ireland don't seem to produce top-200 players let alone top-100. I did think, until about 4 years ago, it was something to do with the way tennis clubs have been traditionally the domain of the upper middle class, and that any promising juniors simply head off to the USA on scholarship and chose playing club tennis with a "career".

And true that here in Croatia most players are from upper middle class backgrounds or their parents poured money into them (Ivanisevic is a prime example), but in Russia there are a number of players from so-so backgrounds but have access to training programmes - for eg the Spartak club in Moscow.

In boxing Ireland punches above it's weight, even still, and over 5 years after the first female amateur fights in Ireland, the IABA finally got around to recognising that women can fight too, and now young Katie Taylor will most likely win another European title. But in fairness the IABA have gotten themselves in order and made the most out of their position.

The FAI and any other number of organisations (sports) in Ireland just amble along hoping that nobody will wonder what they do.

MrMan said:
It's usually why are we not winning any medals. I think that is a reasonable question as we have seen the country develop, we have the ambition and the money, why can't we match other countries ona man to man basis. Surely it is an area that should be improved upon as is the fact that we cannot produce any tennis pro's of note when one can see that all of the raw materials are in place.

On your last point, alot of the GAA appointments are concerned with in house politics and always will be from junior to inter county level.
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Will Stan go ? No, not unless pushed by Delaney & Co.

The Irish don't 'do' resignations. Eddie O'Sullivan won't resign either. Neither will Bertie (oops, strayed into politics there ...)

They can't really be blamed either - why resign from a lucrative contract ? At least wait for the payoff when sacked.

I don't really buy the argument about the players not performing, manager can't go and play for them etc ..... Why bother having a manager at all ? The manager has to take most of the blame (and credit where its due). Its his job to organise individuals into a team, motivate them and let them play to their strengths. Stan has failed to do any of this in 2 years. Even the FAI must have known he wasn't up to it when they bizarrely appointed Bobby Robson as a coaching 'consultant'. Which part of the shambles that is the Irish soccer team did he have a part in ?
 
Bobby Robson will go and then they spin and spin and Stan will be off at the same time.
 
Now, this is funny (from that RTE website story)....

"Speaking to RTÉ last night the Association's Chief Executive John Delaney moved to distance himself personally from Staunton's appointment, pointing out that a three man committee had been handed the responsibility."

Fair enough - then the three man committee should go too !
 
Well many pundits are already talking about replacements-I hear Paul Jewel mentioned alot.He has experience but surely we need someone with more global experience with a proven track record even in Europe.
 
heard dunphy on the radio this morning doing his usual pub type arguments saying how great a nation of sports people we are (horseracing and rugby) but my argument is we and the UK are not great sports people(as in winning stuff) we never win in tennis cycling atletics etc damn it we dont even win the Eurovision
 
we win at golf, horse jumping, rugby, boxing, running, hurdles, even cricket. Not having a glorious past should not prevent us from striving for a glorious future.
 
MrMan said:
we win at golf, horse jumping, rugby, boxing, running, hurdles, even cricket. Not having a glorious past should not prevent us from striving for a glorious future.
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Yea horse jumping how did we win by giving the horses whatever drug,cricket I thought half the team were foreigners. We dont stand up to countries with the same population as ourselves like Sweden Denmark New Zealand "Not having a glorious past should not prevent us from striving for a glorious future" is a lovely quote but ranting about millionaire footballers is crazy. Its the pastime of a middleclass society bereft of culture just like our neighbours
 
Johnny Boy said:
Yea horse jumping how did we win by giving the horses whatever drug,cricket I thought half the team were foreigners. We dont stand up to countries with the same population as ourselves like Sweden Denmark New Zealand "Not having a glorious past should not prevent us from striving for a glorious future" is a lovely quote but ranting about millionaire footballers is crazy. Its the pastime of a middleclass society bereft of culture just like our neighbours
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What does New Zealand win apart from oscars?
 
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