Assault by Staff

If I were you and didnt want to go down an official compensation route nor did I want the chef to lose his job I would none the less want to see him punished E.g insist on a face to face apology from him or a written one from him if you dont want to meet him and a payment from him to a charity of your choice with a receipt from the charity as proof otherwise he gets off with a telling off from his employer.

Even if you had been messing it is totally unacceptable for him to behave in that manner and indeed would suggest to me that he has serious issues. Having to put his hand in his own pocket may at least begin to make him address his issues.

Something like a €1000 to Fr. Peter McVerrys fund or SDVP
 
Thrifty1 said:
I actually cant figure out if you are arguing for or against my point....
Are you saying the chef should be used to dealing with drunks and shouldnt get provoked?

Posts crossed.
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Yeah that was one of my observations about anyone dealing with the public in such an establishment :)
I'm probably trying to argue on the side of discovering truth and not about any polarised view or position.
 
I would have usually retaliated but it came completely out of the blue to me and I was shocked that it had happened. He then ran back behind his station so I would have had to chase him around the place to give him a kicking. Who would have got into trouble then.

As for messing, loudness or previous encounters my answer is no.
 
Kildrought said:
So these sort of attacks have happened to you before?
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It's as if the OP is on trial in this thread...I'm shocked at some people's attitude to be honest. He was attacked by a lunatic, yet he is the one getting quizzed as if he was a criminal of some kind.
 
KalEl said:
It's as if the OP is on trial in this thread...I'm shocked at some people's attitude to be honest. He was attacked by a lunatic, yet he is the one getting quizzed as if he was a criminal of some kind.
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I agree here. Its a shame when victims dont get enough support in our society. I honestly dont care if the chef had a chip on his shoulder, he assaulted a peaceful member of the public, a person he was paid to serve. He destroyed his shirt and in all likelihood ruined his evening.
The fact that the victim didnt lash out in retaliation is surely a sign of who was the better person.
 
There is only one side presented here, so it's only reasonable that people ask questions of the OP.

If posters feel that there is an 'attack the victim' culture prevalent in Ireland, please start a thread in Letting Off Steam on the topic, perhaps using this thread as an example.
 
KalEl said:
It's as if the OP is on trial in this thread...I'm shocked at some people's attitude to be honest. He was attacked by a lunatic, yet he is the one getting quizzed as if he was a criminal of some kind.
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In fairness his own comments aren't painting the picture of [SIZE=-1]Mahatma Gandhi[/SIZE]
new_user2007 said:
I would have usually retaliated....I would have had to chase him around the place to give him a kicking
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You can only go on the evidence given. The Chef committed an assault.

Doesn't matter it was a case of misunderstanding. Though as the OP said themself this is a long story made short. So theres obviously more to it than just the chef lost the plot and assaulted someone for no reason.


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No offence, But i admire your self control as well - i'm a girl and if some one came out and hit me for no apparent reason i'm telling u i might be small but no one would get away with that

as regardless if u had been in this eating establishment before or Not

and if the background to this slap up , was picking up or getting mustard jars sound ridiculous

To be honest , regardless u were a paying customer - and should have been treated as same

There is CCTV to show what u were up to - which puts the liability on this Chef
regardless of him having a bad day or not , hitting u around does'nt show much respect
and does it mean that the restaurant are keeping him on

To be honest i 'd think this guy should be made an example of and if anything , i would'nt think the restaurant would like the publicity that their head chef can go around and hit people for what ever reason, and still get away with it

a personal apology is the least u should be get

i have to laugh people look for compensation for a lot less

and it is your perogitive at the end of day if u want to go ahead and launch a criminal assault against this person
 
aircobra19 said:
In fairness his own comments aren't painting the picture of [SIZE=-1]Mahatma Gandhi[/SIZE]

You can only go on the evidence given. The Chef committed an assault.

Doesn't matter it was a case of misunderstanding. Though as the OP said themself this is a long story made short. So theres obviously more to it than just the chef lost the plot and assaulted someone for no reason.
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I disagree...having 3 drinks is completely normal. Bringing back mustard jars to your table to test them is perfectly normal. What's the alternative? Squeez it on the floor? Try and gauge the weight of them? In fact, having empty containers on tables is bad form from the diner.
And I find no fault with the OP's comment that "he would usually have retaliated". I would have dropped the chef there and then as would the majority of men I'd imagine. His restraint was almost Gandhi-like!

The more I read and the more I think about this I think the OP should look for the chef's dismissal and financial compensation as an absolute minimum. As I said earlier, assuming I managed not to retaliate I would look for a minimum of €5000 compensation. I would speak to a solicitor and make the usual threats of Joe Duffy, Evening Herald etc etc.

You were assaulted for no reason at all by a member of staff in a diner. Liability has been admitted. There is video evidence of the incident and numerous witnesses. Pretty clear cut stuff folks.
 
If this attack had happened on the streets then there would probably be less debate about what the OP should do; call the cops. The fact that the attacker was working makes no difference, he deserves to be prosecuted and sacked.
 
What also strikes me is the chefs premeditated intent was obviously to hurt the OP. What would have happened if things had gone more wrong and the OP had been more seriously hurt with a blinded eye and a broken nose or worse?
 
askalot said:
If this attack had happened on the streets then there would probably be less debate about what the OP should do; call the cops. The fact that the attacker was working makes no difference, he deserves to be prosecuted and sacked.
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Yes - but the original poster is not prepared to pursue things in this way.
 
KalEl said:
I disagree....I find no fault with the OP's comment that "he would usually have retaliated". I would have dropped the chef there and then as would the majority of men I'd imagine...
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You're quoting out of context. My comments were in the context of answering why people would question the OP story. Re: chasing to giving them a "kicking" is well beyond self defence or normal retaliation. That its an assault by the chef based on the story given isn't doubt.
 
Replying to Kildrought......I haven't been in these situations before. If it was to happen 'usually' I would expect myself to kick lumps out the lad as I'm 6' 4" and not exactly stick thin! I was genuinely shocked at what happened and therfore didn't retaliate. If it had been building up and I was expecting agro then I would have let me fists talk butr I was oblivious to the attack about to happen. I was turned the other way socialising in my own group.
 
aircobra19 said:
You're quoting out of context. My comments were in the context of answering why people would question the OP story. Re: chasing to giving them a "kicking" is well beyond self defence or normal retaliation. That its an assault by the chef based on the story given isn't doubt.
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You're entitled to your opinion..."kicking" is a euphemism for beating up though. Had it happened to me I would have beaten up the chef and I'd freely admit that.
There is no issue regarding context...the OP didn't attack the chef because he realised he'd most likely end up in trouble. Admirable restraint and fair play to him.
 
They wanted me to sign a disclaimer and all I was getting was the price of my shirt. If they had made even a little bit more effort I wouls have accepted but because they didn't I have refused to sign it. I have now asked them for the same treatment as any other customer in this scenario and they said they'll get back to me. I have had no legal advice to date.
 
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