Arthritis Copper Bands
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tallpaul04
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I think they do work. according to both my dad and uncle plumbers never get atthritis as they work with copper all day. (i am open to correction, does anyone know a plumber with arthritis?)
Surely this negates the point of wearing copper? Although probably lost in folklore at this stage, the original idea of wearing copper bracelets was so that the copper would be gradually absorbed by the skin, easing or preventing arthritis.
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Placebo effect never fails!
Even if it's a placebo effect isn't that better than no effect at all? Know rational people that swear by them.
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Placebo effect never fails!
There speaks someone who evidently has no understanding of the potentially powerfully positive effect of placebos (forgive the unintentional alliteration). And your eyes to heaven smilie actually makes me sick. I mention my uncle in another post, he's dying from cancer, placebos gave him an extra four to five months of hopeful and happy living because he believed the tablets he was taking were curing him - they weren't, they were placebos, but they gave him hope, when there actually was none, so he got added time that he was able to enjoy. You're blessed not to have any experience of the pain of watching a loved one go through this - if you did have any experience you wouldn't have posted such a smart-arsed, smirk-laden post about placebos. To hell with you.
(Ban me if you choose, but think about banning Brianp too, his post was infinitely more hurtful, ignorant and offensive than mine).
tallpaul04
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well said.
who gives anyone the right to dismiss a cure or remedy to any disease or ailment, the power of the mind is unknown hence palcebos may work for some people and not others.
You never should never put such a trival thing like wearing a copper braclet down..... at the worst all it is is a fashion statement, at its best it could save you from a disease.
I'll ask my question again does anyone know of a plumber with arthritis?
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No worries kennedy, My dad was ill for 15 years. I Can hardly remember a day when he was well.
I hope all works out well for you...
I will try and be more sensitive next time
By way of general observation only folks, there is a structural problem in our medical industry. Only drugs which can be patented (and therefore yield a profitable income stream) ever get the investment needed to go through full clinical testing. Directly or indirectly, virtually all major clinical trials are funded by the pharma industry. This means that many traditional remedies are never going to be 'proven' to work in the same way as many patented drugs are 'proven' to work.
There is a big difference between "Proven not to work" and "Not proven to work". The former is the sneering statement which is regrettably common from conventional medicine, but when you research, you will usually find that the latter is what they mean, and that statement is usually only fully true by applying a standard\methodology of proof which will never be economically viable for a non-patentable therapy.
I prefer to apply the following evaluation test to so-called 'alternative' treatments:
1. Has it been shown to do any physical harm?
2. Are there any studies - (even if not of FDA standard) which show some benefit?
If the answer to Q.1 is no and the answer to Q.2 is yes, I would be slow to dismiss a treatment.
Copper bracelets pass this test.
www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/arth4-6.html
"Folk wisdom teaches that wearing a copper bracelet can relieve arthritic symptoms. While most conventional doctors consider that claim to be nonsense, a pilot study indicated that copper bracelets may, indeed, be helpful. Some 160 individuals with arthritis, half of whom had previously worn a copper bracelet, were randomly assigned to one of two groups. Group 1 wore a copper bracelet for one month, and then a placebo bracelet (anodized aluminum resembling copper) for a second month. Group 2 wore the same bracelets in reverse order. Of those patients who noticed a difference between the two bracelets, significantly more preferred copper (p < 0.01) than placebo.23 Previous users of copper bracelets deteriorated significantly during the time they were wearing the placebo bracelet. Interestingly, the weight of the copper bracelets fell by an average of 13 mg during the month they were being worn, suggesting that some copper from the bracelet may have been absorbed through the skin."
There is a big difference between "Proven not to work" and "Not proven to work". The former is the sneering statement which is regrettably common from conventional medicine, but when you research, you will usually find that the latter is what they mean, and that statement is usually only fully true by applying a standard\methodology of proof which will never be economically viable for a non-patentable therapy.
I prefer to apply the following evaluation test to so-called 'alternative' treatments:
1. Has it been shown to do any physical harm?
2. Are there any studies - (even if not of FDA standard) which show some benefit?
If the answer to Q.1 is no and the answer to Q.2 is yes, I would be slow to dismiss a treatment.
Copper bracelets pass this test.
www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/arth4-6.html
"Folk wisdom teaches that wearing a copper bracelet can relieve arthritic symptoms. While most conventional doctors consider that claim to be nonsense, a pilot study indicated that copper bracelets may, indeed, be helpful. Some 160 individuals with arthritis, half of whom had previously worn a copper bracelet, were randomly assigned to one of two groups. Group 1 wore a copper bracelet for one month, and then a placebo bracelet (anodized aluminum resembling copper) for a second month. Group 2 wore the same bracelets in reverse order. Of those patients who noticed a difference between the two bracelets, significantly more preferred copper (p < 0.01) than placebo.23 Previous users of copper bracelets deteriorated significantly during the time they were wearing the placebo bracelet. Interestingly, the weight of the copper bracelets fell by an average of 13 mg during the month they were being worn, suggesting that some copper from the bracelet may have been absorbed through the skin."
Anybody who feels that promoting quack cures is a dangerous thing. Some people getting placebo relief from whatever they choose is one thing but going on to promote quack remedies with no scientific basis to substantiate the claims of efficacy and making illogical generalisations from anecdotal evidence is quite objectionable to some people.
copper bands = bunkum , quack remedies do not work and are dangerous. There is too much of this nonsense in Ireland at the minute " oh o've got a flu and have had it for 3 weeks but i won't take an antibiotic , i'm gonna go to my therepist and centre myself" , I heard a work mate spout this drivel and nearly dropped with laughter
Somone please make it stop.
Somone please make it stop.
I believe it is equally drivel to take an antibiotic for Flu, which is a viral illness, except in order to ward off secondary bacterial infection.
please explain how/why a gp would send a person to a quack" who has teh Cure" to cure wildfire as opposed to treating with antibiotic's. Happened yes , to whom - My late father, cured rappidly, 2nd person also got same time wouldn't go to 7th son of 7th son was on antibiotic for months.
As a slight aside, there is now a reasonable (and one hopes a growing) body of research which strongly suggests that an antibiotic (particularly a broad spectrum antibiotic) administered in the first six months may greatly increase the risk of a child later developing asthma. One study measured the risk as having been increased by a factor of up to 11 - I think this was if two doses had been taken in first 12 months. Google antibiotics and asthma and you can find the studies easily enough. Sobering stuff.