'No vacancies' for Bulgarians

Del, as of yet no subsidence has been noted in Ireland! Before the famine(s) we had upwards of 8 million people on the island and they all survived before foreign governmental misrule stepped in and sent them packing.

I'm not being trite but surely it's time to understand that, having signed up to the 'United States of Europe' then we must expect immigration. If the level of immigration makes the electorate feel uncomfortable then surely it is time to look at whom we have elected and the self-serving policies and agendas which they pursue.

I hold my hands up and say that I voted Fianna Fail in the last 3 elections. That said I have become ever more uncomfortable with their policies and more convinced that they will do whatever is politically expedient to hold onto power and ingraciate themselves to their colleagues in Brussels.

To say that the Irish electorate did not ask for this is to ignore who, exactly, put the present administration in power (myself included!).

As they say 'What goes around comes around' and if we are to deny the newly joining states their rights as equal citizens of the EU then perhaps it is time for us to withdraw from the union.

I've done well in Eastern Europe. My family have done well in Ireland. If we don't like whats going on in Ireland then we always have the option of upping sticks and moving. If, as the vast majority don't want to do, we don't wish to move then we have to take the proverbial bull by the horns and reject the semi-selective policies of Brussels an annex of which is Berties policies at home. Time for a change of goverment I suspect but where is the coherent oposition?

If I choose to register my kids as romanian citizens then should I be happy to see them discriminated against in Ireland or ,should I say, at the immigration desk in Dublin Airport.

Either they are equal citizens of the EU or they are not.

I hope you see, and understand, my personal difficulty with this exclusionist policy.
 
Either they are equal citizens of the EU or they are not.

I hope you see, and understand, my personal difficulty with this exclusionist policy.

well, as yet they are not. These things take time. The 10 EU newbies that joined in 2004 are still not equals, over 2 years later. They face similar restrictions throughout most of the EU as Bulgaria and Romania will face.

Sweden, incidentally, is going to allow in Bulgarians and Romanians.
 
Del, as of yet no subsidence has been noted in Ireland! Before the famine(s) we had upwards of 8 million people on the island and they all survived before foreign governmental misrule stepped in and sent them packing.

They might have been surviving but they lived like peasants.

I'm not being trite but surely it's time to understand that, having signed up to the 'United States of Europe' then we must expect immigration. If the level of immigration makes the electorate feel uncomfortable then surely it is time to look at whom we have elected and the self-serving policies and agendas which they pursue.

Nobody has a problem with immigration,it's the level of it is where the questions start being asked.If the level of immigration makes the electorate feel uncomfortable,then maybe that's because they are !.It was the labour leader who first muted about having restrictions put in place,probably the most leftist mainstream party in the country.

I hold my hands up and say that I voted Fianna Fail in the last 3 elections. That said I have become ever more uncomfortable with their policies and more convinced that they will do whatever is politically expedient to hold onto power and ingraciate themselves to their colleagues in Brussels.

To say that the Irish electorate did not ask for this is to ignore who, exactly, put the present administration in power (myself included!).

You seem to think the government did this off their own bat,but i'm sure the focus groups and canvassers have been reporting back to party Hq about the issues on the doorsteps.I would go as far as to say that if they thought they would get away with it the government would have had no restrictions because IBEC etc would just love another 200,000 cheap wage units to profit from.


As they say 'What goes around comes around' and if we are to deny the newly joining states their rights as equal citizens of the EU then perhaps it is time for us to withdraw from the union.

That's just silly,since when did the Rep. of Ireland become the centre of the Union ?We have done more that anybody else.

I've done well in Eastern Europe. My family have done well in Ireland. If we don't like whats going on in Ireland then we always have the option of upping sticks and moving. If, as the vast majority don't want to do, we don't wish to move then we have to take the proverbial bull by the horns and reject the semi-selective policies of Brussels an annex of which is Berties policies at home. Time for a change of goverment I suspect but where is the coherent oposition?

If I choose to register my kids as romanian citizens then should I be happy to see them discriminated against in Ireland or ,should I say, at the immigration desk in Dublin Airport.

Either they are equal citizens of the EU or they are not.

I hope you see, and understand, my personal difficulty with this exclusionist policy.

You say you've been gone a few years and that's the impression i get,you don't seem to have a handle on things on the ground at home.A change of government will still give you the same result as they are only reflecting what their getting on the doorsteps.

Immigration has been good for Ireland and i hope it's been good for the immigrants aswell,we have no major problems as yet apart from the infrastructure deficit,but to keep piling them in would be a mistake.

Maybe we should have capped the poles lativan's and lithuanians at 150,000 and then we could have let in 50,000 romanians and bulgarians, but what's done is done.

Your kids are entitled to dual nationality,so that's not an issue.

Of course i understand your personal difficulty,by the way.But you have to deal with the situation on the ground as you find it.
 
i always wonder why these immigrants never try to get to austrailia to hard to qualify im sure
 
the bit that always got to me was the the 'roma' tribes from Romania arriving here as political refugees. everybody knows that there is at least 4 countries between Romania and Ireland on their travels but they never stopped to apply for political asylum en route. remember all those Romanians in France at the port tunnel entrance. weren't interested in applying for asylum in France, Belgium and before that Germany and in a lot of cases GB was only a stopever before arriving here. know they didn't have work permits etc but IMO most of them were even remotely interested in working anyway. unfortunately they have given Romania a bad name and its unjustified for the vast majority of Romanians and it's perhaps unfortunate that so many other eastern nationalities have flooded the country thus depriving the newer states of equal opportunity. I think the government have got this one right. not too often they do and I also think its because of feedback they are receiving
 
IMO the only real reason for EU expansion is to annex cheap labour to keep wages on the lower scale even lower, and for companies to build their factories in labour for peanuts countries. All in order to compete with China etc, the Irish government adopt this philosophy with great zeal , absolutely no desire to integrate our new neighbours but more so to keep them transient
(e.g. child support/bribery if you leave your kids in your own country, thanks-sounds like taxpayer subsidising poor employers rates).

I'd love to see what our next generation are going to turn out ,but definitely feel the gaps are getting wider socially and there will be trouble ahead.
 
IMO the only real reason for EU expansion is to annex cheap labour to keep wages on the lower scale even lower, and for companies to build their factories in labour for peanuts countries.

no, those new countries are also untapped markets for products.
 
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