Scumbags!!

"Scumbags".
"These scum".

Is AAM turning into The Herald/Sun/Star/Sunday World or something? :rolleyes:
 
Marie M said:
I wouldn't take it personally.
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Do you not think that liteweight has a right to be annoyed and disgusted by the antics of these scumbags. Liteweight like me is from Dublin and I would take it very personally if someone attacked an elderly lady in front of me. Just because it didn't happen to you personally doesn't mean that you shouldn't worry about it - that elderly lady was someone's granny, mother, wife and in the absence of someone from her own family I think liteweight did the right thing in getting upset!
 
RonanC said:
one quick question, why was this not reported straight away?? Henry Street is covered by CCTV that is linked up to the Garda station on O'Connell street. These guys would have been picked up in minutes !!!

I was on Henry street yesterday too and there were Gardai everywhere, especially outside Jervis shopping centre.. there always around the area and could have been at the scene in a minute or less.. Did shop security not come to help either??
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The woman didn't want a fuss and I was holding her up. No shop security came to help but it was on the street, not in the shop so they might not even have seen it!

Are you sure the CCTV is monitored by the Gardai all the time? If so, one at least should have arrived. To give the benefit of the doubt, the incident may have looked like an old lady fainting. There was no big brawl and it was over in seconds. By the time a Garda ran from Jervis Centre to Arnotts, they'd be long gone anyway. I wouldn't be able to give a description, except in general terms. They had hoods up as it was lashing rain at the time, which might account for the fact that I didn't see one Garda on Henry St.!
 
ney001 said:
Do you not think that liteweight has a right to be annoyed and disgusted by the antics of these scumbags. Liteweight like me is from Dublin and I would take it very personally if someone attacked an elderly lady in front of me. Just because it didn't happen to you personally doesn't mean that you shouldn't worry about it - that elderly lady was someone's granny, mother, wife and in the absence of someone from her own family I think liteweight did the right thing in getting upset!
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What I meant was that other peoples actions would not make me myself ashamed of who I am, or where I am from.
 
Marie M said:
I wouldn't take it personally.
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Maybe we should be taking it personally and then less of it might happen. Just wait until the next batch of politicians call to my door. I'm not naive enough to think they won't be sympathetic to the 'crime' situation in order to get my vote. Maybe if enough of us complained bitterly when they land on our doorsteps, we wouldn't have the situation we're in now.
 
I think I have been taken up wrong here. I am not making light of the situation, the yob culture that is going on in UK will probably be mirrored here, yes something should be done about it, but it would not make me doubt myself, my morals and where I come from, you may aswell throw the towel into these people. This was a terrible incident, but is not indicitive of Dublin people in general.
 
Marie M said:
What I meant was that other peoples actions would not make me myself ashamed of who I am, or where I am from.
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It wouldn't make me ashamed of who I am but it certainly would make me ashamed of my capital city - that an old lady could be attacked on the street in broad daylight and nothing could be done :(
 
Money. manpower and some comitted politicians

Needed - but wishful thinking!

Never really looked into the zero tolerance thing that seemed to work in New York(or did it?). Wonder if it was brought in here would it have any/the same effect
 
Marie M

The people actually turned away!!! That is a terrible indictment IMO. What if he didn't run off but decided to kick her while she was down? It doesn't bear thinking about as it brings up memories of a young man kicked to death at a taxi rank....he was on the queue for Godsake...and countless other incidents.

I wish I could remember the quote but it's something like...'they came for the Jews and I did nothing, then they came for.....finally they came for me and there was no one left to do something. Garbled I know but does anyone remember the quote?
 
On the walls of one of the death camps in Nazi Germany
First they came for the Jews, and I did nothing because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Gypsies, and I did nothing, because I wasn't a Gypsy.
Then they came for the Catholics and I did nothing, because I was Protestant.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to help me.
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or something like that
 
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
And there was no one left to speak out for me.
 
CharlieC said:
Have a read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
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It happens all the time in London. I lived there for 3 years and travelled on the trains and tube to work and home again.

There were many incidents of 'burying heads in newspapers' if there was some kind of confrontation between other passengers.

I even saw a man move away down the train from a young girl who was being harassed by two yobs she obviously didn't know. I also moved down the train, but in search of staff who could help her as I felt I couldn't.

The staff don't really want to know either and are frightened for their own safety.

What happened to this lady was shocking and shouldn't be tolerated. Unfortunately, it appears they got away with it, which will arm them with confidence to repeat the same behaviour.

Until the laws in this country are changed in favour of the victims instead of the criminals, incidents such as this will continue to go unstopped and unpunished.
 
ClubMan said:
For what it's worth I have lived almost 40 years in Dublin and have wandered the streets a lot and have never encountered any trouble in all that time. The incident above is obviously shocking and intolerable but to generalise from isolated incidents like that to some overarching theory that the streets are generally unsafe seems like a gross overreaction to me.
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Just because you don't personally witness these things doesn't mean they're not happening! Stop burying your head in the sand. Pick up the paper on any day of the week and you can read it. People being killed on the streets for mobile phones, a few quid or for no reason at all. I've been to many major cities around the world and Dublin has more scumbags than any of them! And before anyone attacks me for saying that, I'm from Dublin but no longer live there.
 
Actually in general terms Dublin today is BETTER than 10 years ago. However, relative to other 1st world cities the level of aggression on Dublin's streets and behaviour of many of its inhabitants is appalling. (patiently waiting in line in a spar while some complete "scumbag" walks in to the top of the queue and shouts "20 johnny blues" comes to mind. - honestly, where else do you get that???)
 
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