Paul Murphy pays his property tax

[Brendan Burgess]

Paul Murphy admits he paid property tax to sell house

The Dublin South-West deputy, who publicly tore up his property tax form in 2013, paid the tax last May on an apartment in Ballinteer, South Dublin when he sold it for €255,000.

Speaking to The Irish Times, Mr Murphy said he was forced to pay the tax against his will to be able to sell his apartment and move to his new home in Kingswood, Tallaght.

“The boycott was broken by the measures introduced to tackle the campaign.”

However, Mr Murphy says he did not pay his water charges before moving out.

“I successfully sold without paying,” he said.

 

[cremeegg]

Does that mean the purchaser will have to pick up the bill ?

 

[Brendan Burgess]

Does that mean the purchaser will have to pick up the bill ?

No. It just means that the purchaser will have to join the campaign against water charges.

 

[so-crates]

SUCH a charmer ... leaving someone else to pay his bills.

 

[Setanta12]

Doesn't hid liability travel with him? If not, couldn't the purchaser be deemed to have paid the water-bill in trust for Paul ? (Either way, he pays ... )

 

[mf1]

The purchaser may have taken a certain view - as in, reduce the price by the amount of the water charges? And pay them? Or just say, sod it, it is not going to be that much and pay them anyway.

Off the top of my head, I don't know if the water charges are a charge on the property but water charges are an issue in a conveyancing transaction and I would be surprised if Mr. Murphy's statement that he successfully sold without paying his water charges would stand up to much scrutiny

mf

 

[thedaddyman]

If he sold without paying, that doesn't mean the purchaser has to pay. I thought the debt would follow the seller. I also thought that his solicitor would have to withhold part of the sales proceeds to clear the debt to IW if the vendor had not paid direct. If he instructed his solicitor not to do that, then is the solicitor breaking the law?

I'm wondering if this is an issue with semantics and language, he didn't pay the water charges himself and he didn't pay his solicitor to do so, his solicitor did out of money he received from the buyer before passing the remainder onto to him?

 

[noproblem]

I DON'T SEE WHAT THE ISSUE IS HERE, BUT IT SEEMS SOME PEOPLE WHO PAY THEIR WATER CHARGES WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO DO THE SAME AND NOT BE KICKING AGAINST THE SYSTEM. SO WHAT IF HE PAID IN ORDER TO SELL A PROPERTY?
WE'VE BECOME A GREAT NATION OF BEGRUDGERS AND DO GOODERS. BY THE WAY, MY CAPITAL LETTERS BUTTON IS STUCK SO DON'T GO TELLING ME TO STOP SHOUTING.

 

[Páid]

Stop shouting by holding down the shift key while you type (and while CAPS lock key is engaged) will allow you to type in lower case letters.

 

[Delboy]

SUCH a charmer ... leaving someone else to pay his bills.

Isn't that the Socialist way

 

[so-crates]

BY THE WAY, MY CAPITAL LETTERS BUTTON IS STUCK SO DON'T GO TELLING ME TO STOP SHOUTING.

Time for a new keyboard methinks

I DON'T SEE WHAT THE ISSUE IS HERE, BUT IT SEEMS SOME PEOPLE WHO PAY THEIR WATER CHARGES WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO DO THE SAME AND NOT BE KICKING AGAINST THE SYSTEM. SO WHAT IF HE PAID IN ORDER TO SELL A PROPERTY?
WE'VE BECOME A GREAT NATION OF BEGRUDGERS AND DO GOODERS.

It isn't anything to do with begrudgery, Paul (Silverspoon) Murphy has put other people with far less acumen and resources in untenable positions by poisoning their minds with his falsehoods. And when it suits him - he changes his position. He would not be quick to support other people.

 

[so-crates]

Isn't that the Socialist way

If you accept that Paul and his ilk are true socialists then that would seem to be the case alright!

Personally I think they make a mockery of socialism; dressing clientelism, populism and self-interest up in socialist words. I wouldn't count myself a socialist but I read extensively about it as a student and making everyone else pay for you was definitely not the principle espoused.

 

[KOW]

Paul Murphy admits he paid property tax to sell house

The Dublin South-West deputy, who publicly tore up his property tax form in 2013, paid the tax last May on an apartment in Ballinteer, South Dublin when he sold it for €255,000.

Speaking to The Irish Times, Mr Murphy said he was forced to pay the tax against his will to be able to sell his apartment and move to his new home in Kingswood, Tallaght.

“The boycott was broken by the measures introduced to tackle the campaign.”

However, Mr Murphy says he did not pay his water charges before moving out.

“I successfully sold without paying,” he said.

Paul is a great guy.
The majority of people on our little shamrock dont want the charges fact.

 

[T McGibney]

If you can't post in proper sentence case, you shouldn't be posting at all.

 

[so-crates]

SADLY, MY CAPITAL LETTER BUTTON IS BROKEN, BUT THANKS TO THE FEW FOR THE SARCASM

Actually neither response was actually sarcastic - though mine could be deemed borderline, it was meant in a light-hearted way. If you are finding you can't type normally in lower case (and you haven't yet located a new keyboard) then as already advised holding down the Shift key will change the letters to lower case (basically it reverses the caps lock setting for the letter you choose to hold it down for)

Alternatively, if that is too much trouble (and you are using a PC) type your response into a Word document, select the text and press Shift + F3 button. It will change the text to sentence case.

AT LEAST MURPHY AND OTHERS STOOD UP TO OUR LYING GOVERMENT WHO WENT BACK ON PRACTICALLY ALL THE PROMISES THEY WERE ELECTED ON. WE ALL KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE TOLD LIES AT TIMES, BUT THIS GOVERMENT HAVE DOCTORATES IN LYING. VERY FEW FAMILIES HAVE ESCAPED SUICIDES, EMIGRATION, DIVORCE, SEPERATION, DEATH, ROBBERY, INJURY, POVERTY, UNEMPLOYMENT, ETC, BECAUSE OF ENDA AND HIS COHORTS. WE HAVE SHORT MEMORIES. WE'RE TOLD THEY'RE RIDING HIGH IN THE POLLS BUT SOMEHOW I CAN SEE THOSE POLLS BEING LAUGHED AT WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE DAMAGED PEOPLE USING THEIR VOTE. TIME, LIKE IT ALWAYS DOES, WILL TELL

Firstly, Paul Murphy is hardly someone to hold up as a paragon of honesty. He is using people's anger to benefit himself and his cronies. I have no faith in his ability to deliver anything other than a nice fat paycheque to himself (and let's face it, he has managed that admirably).

Secondly, it is a little difficult to back up your claim that "Enda and his cohorts" are solely, entirely or even ostensibly responsible for "suicides, emigration, divorce, separation, death, robblery, injury, poverty, unemployment, etc". They inherited a mess, not just as a result of previous governments but as a result of factors entirely outside of Irish control. They can be held responsible for what they did (e.g. pension levy) and for what they didn't do, but to start blaming everything on them is ridiculous. What they did do was make some incredibly difficult decisions, they chose unpopular policies instead of the craven "everyone else will pay" politics of Paul Murphy and his cohort.

 

[so-crates]

Paul is a great guy.
The majority of people on our little shamrock dont want the charges fact.

Ah the small child argument. "I don't want to" - might as well pout and stamp your foot while you are at it too.

"Don't Want" is not a worthwhile objection.

"Can't Afford" is a reasonable issue - one that had been addressed in the package of supports that had been put in place prior to the introduction of the flat rate.

<Alternative, properly costed proposal providing a similar or better cash stream> - now that would form the basis of a worthwhile objection - not a single populist objector has come up with one. Why not? Because they know down right well that there isn't one.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Holding down the Shift key as you type each word should work, unless your Shift key is also broken.

 

[so-crates]

Have you actually attempted either of the things I have suggested? The broken button is immaterial, neither of the suggested solutions involve bothering with the caps lock button, they involve the text itself.

You can change text by means other than the keyboard. You don't have to take my word on it - here is what Microsoft have to say on the matter.
https://support.office.com/en-in/ar...-of-text-9e3a6b90-5aa4-4fe9-85da-2852605c57af

As for your opinion - undoubtedly you are entitled to it, but if you express it you have to anticipate that not everyone is going to agree with you. If they don't, there is no reason to express chagrin - you can answer my reasoning with your own but to simply say "I'm right" is neither convincing nor constructive. And in this case - my view of the evidence is that the pronouncements from Paul Murphy et al are little more than populist vote-buying. His mouth is writing cheques the country could never, ever afford to cash. "Real polls" may disagree with my assessment but then we'll have all the fun of living with the decisive majority that thinks his position holds some merit. I hate when people decide to prove me right but if it has to be, so be it, I will not hang around to watch the hames he will make of it.

 

[KOW]

Actually neither response was actually sarcastic - though mine could be deemed borderline, it was meant in a light-hearted way. If you are finding you can't type normally in lower case (and you haven't yet located a new keyboard) then as already advised holding down the Shift key will change the letters to lower case (basically it reverses the caps lock setting for the letter you choose to hold it down for)

Alternatively, if that is too much trouble (and you are using a PC) type your response into a Word document, select the text and press Shift + F3 button. It will change the text to sentence case.



Firstly, Paul Murphy is hardly someone to hold up as a paragon of honesty. He is using people's anger to benefit himself and his cronies. I have no faith in his ability to deliver anything other than a nice fat paycheque to himself (and let's face it, he has managed that admirably).

Secondly, it is a little difficult to back up your claim that "Enda and his cohorts" are solely, entirely or even ostensibly responsible for "suicides, emigration, divorce, separation, death, robblery, injury, poverty, unemployment, etc". They inherited a mess, not just as a result of previous governments but as a result of factors entirely outside of Irish control. They can be held responsible for what they did (e.g. pension levy) and for what they didn't do, but to start blaming everything on them is ridiculous. What they did do was make some incredibly difficult decisions, they chose unpopular policies instead of the craven "everyone else will pay" politics of Paul Murphy and his cohort.

Actually neither response was actually sarcastic - though mine could be deemed borderline, it was meant in a light-hearted way. If you are finding you can't type normally in lower case (and you haven't yet located a new keyboard) then as already advised holding down the Shift key will change the letters to lower case (basically it reverses the caps lock setting for the letter you choose to hold it down for)

Alternatively, if that is too much trouble (and you are using a PC) type your response into a Word document, select the text and press Shift + F3 button. It will change the text to sentence case.



Firstly, Paul Murphy is hardly someone to hold up as a paragon of honesty. He is using people's anger to benefit himself and his cronies. I have no faith in his ability to deliver anything other than a nice fat paycheque to himself (and let's face it, he has managed that admirably).

Secondly, it is a little difficult to back up your claim that "Enda and his cohorts" are solely, entirely or even ostensibly responsible for "suicides, emigration, divorce, separation, death, robblery, injury, poverty, unemployment, etc". They inherited a mess, not just as a result of previous governments but as a result of factors entirely outside of Irish control. They can be held responsible for what they did (e.g. pension levy) and for what they didn't do, but to start blaming everything on them is ridiculous. What they did do was make some incredibly difficult decisions, they chose unpopular policies instead of the craven "everyone else will pay" politics of Paul Murphy and his cohort.

1. How is Murphy using peoples anger to benefit himself. Would that benefit involve Gardai calling in the early hours to arrest you.Facing into Court Case etc.

2. What fat pay cheque? He takes the wage of a youth worker 22000 euro. Not really a fat pay cheque by any standards.

3. Chopra was back in town and in his view was there was an option to burn senior bond holders. He clearly stated that Ireland got a very bad deal from our European family.

4. Of course there had to be pain but every study has shown clearly that the lowest payed= payed the most for mistakes of the past.

5. I personally dont like a lot what the likes of Murphy or the likes of Wallace have to say but at least they stick to their principals and thats good whether one likes them or not.

 

[so-crates]

How is Murphy using peoples anger to benefit himself. Would that benefit involve Gardai calling in the early hours to arrest you.Facing into Court Case etc.

<sigh> He is using people's anger to forward his daft cause. He wants "revolution" - a socialist utopia, a new world order... All harking back to new notions trotted out 200 or so years ago that have repeatedly been tried and always fail because Utopia only works (and at that only barely works for a short time) on small projects. It quickly grows unmanageable and we end up with such successful regimes as USSR and North Korea.

2. What fat pay cheque? He takes the wage of a youth worker 22000 euro. Not really a fat pay cheque by any standards.

Ah the hypocrisy of assumed poverty. Gerry and Mary Kangaroo trot that one out too. Saintly they are. Martyrs to the cause. Pray tell, how does one manage to purchase any property in Ballinteer or Kingswood with a gross income, or a net income for that matter, of €22000pa? There is a song about that one. Jarvis Cocker sang it. The Pulp classic - Common People According to relatively recent rumour the muse of that particular piece is none other than the wealthy and privileged wife of a former Greek Finance minister. Looks like she found a kindred soul that understands how hard it is to play at being poor.
Just because he claims that he only takes a certain salary is neither proof that he does nor contradicts the fact that he is paid considerably more. Aping poverty in order to get down with those less fortunate that you is incredibly patronising and since it isn't exactly a permanent or irreversible state for him it is little short of insulting.

3. Chopra was back in town and in his view was there was an option to burn senior bond holders. He clearly stated that Ireland got a very bad deal from our European family.

And did we notice how strongly anyone in either this government or the last disputed that Ireland got a bit of a raw deal? Frankly "burn the bondholders" was a silly rallying cry - the consequences of forcing all of the bank debt onto pension funds, corporate buyers, etc would have been widespread and would not have solved our fundamental problem. Even without the banking crisis Ireland was in a sticky situation. The banks made an unsustainable situation worse. But the fact that people who had little or no contractual protection from loss were as protected as those that did at the behest of the troika we borrowed from rankled with more than Mr Murphy. The current government weren't the ones that made that agreement and they made several attempts (some more successful than others) to renegotiate it. A Paul Murphy scorched earth approach reneging on the agreed deal would not have improved our lot at all. It would have done exactly the opposite. Furthermore his expensive everyone-else-pays would have proven even more unsustainable. Just cos Chopra thought we got a rough deal does not immediately invest anything that Paul Murphy espouses with a lick more sense.

4. Of course there had to be pain but every study has shown clearly that the lowest payed= payed the most for mistakes of the past.

Actually no - they don't show that. Those who paid the most are the ones who were hit hardest by USC, pension levy, etc. In other words, those who are not lowest paid. The lowest paid were not disproportionately hit by austerity cuts, however, they have the least room for manouevre, even little cuts are difficult when you are close to the line.

5. I personally dont like a lot what the likes of Murphy or the likes of Wallace have to say but at least they stick to their principals and thats good whether one likes them or not.

I'd vote for neither but if you put a gun to my head and said I had to choose one, it would be Wallace over Murphy. Wallace doesn't pretend to be something he isn't.