Fas, 70 days off, pre retirement

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Is the ceasefire over? :)
I see it's not in Shooting the Breeze but instead it's in Letting off Steam ;)

Even union sources admit the scheme is "generous" while private sector employers said it would be completely alien to most workers.
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It's a very detailed article but I hate "sources". That's something some papers use to insert whatever they want.

There are direct quotes from IBEC, SIPTU and FÁS.
So no need for these general comments from unnamed sources.

How many employers did she ring around? Which unions? Just SIPTU? Senior members?

It's a well written piece, I just don't like that section
 
I think the problem is that the public are being drip fed this information .
They haven't a clue about a lot of these perks.

I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to hold onto those perks,you would have to be out of your mind to refuse a perk that is offered to you as part of your job.
So lets not blame those who avail of a legitimate perk.

The issue is those who granted this perk in the first place,and those who are supposed to be negotiating a better way forward.
 
I don't think many people will justify this. It's certainly not something I have heard of in the general civil service.
I get the impression that FAS was a law onto itself the past decade.
 
I'd like to know more about when this was introduced.
Was it in social partnership days? Or maybe futher back to ANCO

The article has nothing more then "long running"
 
RonanC said:
I seriously doubt that this is a public sector wide practice and also doubt many if any will justify it.
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Well the article states that the issue has been brought to the Labour Relations Commission and the Labour Court so somebody is trying very vigorously to defend it.
 
@DB74 From the article;

Internal correspondence obtained by the Irish Independent reveals efforts were made last month by FAS management to scrap the scheme.

However, management were forced to reinstate it just weeks later. Unions took the issue to the Labour Relations Commission and have since sought a hearing at the Labour Court.
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SIPTU FAS branch organiser Brendan O'Brien said that the union was open to a "buyout" of the pre-retirement entitlements.

But he said the offer FAS had put on the table -- a one-off "buyout" of up to three extra days off over three years -- was not good enough.

"We're prepared to deal with the issue but if the board wants a buyout it must make a reasonable offer," he said.

- Anne-Marie Walsh Industry
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I don't really have a problem with this , this condition of employment was readily entered into by employers and their employees ( represented by their Unions ).

The background to this is not clear but there is a strong possibility that this condition was granted in exchange for work practise changes.

As the main function of a Union is to protect the terms & conditions of it's members I have no problem with them referring the matter to the Labour Court - indeed I would be appalled if they didn't.
 
Sure isn't FAS going to be disbanded and staff moved to the new agency SOLAS. I assume all that has to happen is that the pre-retirement days are not part of the terms and conditions of the new agency.
 
That a practice like this was ever approved in the first place tells you all you need to know about how FAS was managed. But you can understand why FAS employees would look to their unions to retain what is an extraordinary benefit.

Nothing of its kind exists anywhere else in the public service.
 
Deiseblue said:
I don't really have a problem with this , this condition of employment was readily entered into by employers and their employees ( represented by their Unions ).

The background to this is not clear but there is a strong possibility that this condition was granted in exchange for work practise changes.

As the main function of a Union is to protect the terms & conditions of it's members I have no problem with them referring the matter to the Labour Court - indeed I would be appalled if they didn't.
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I told ya ;)
 
Shawady said:
Sure isn't FAS going to be disbanded and staff moved to the new agency SOLAS. I assume all that has to happen is that the pre-retirement days are not part of the terms and conditions of the new agency.
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TUPE would suggest otherwise.
 
Deiseblue said:
I don't really have a problem with this , this condition of employment was readily entered into by employers and their employees ( represented by their Unions ).
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The problem here is that all of these perks cost the taxpayer real money (the taxpayer being the employer here by the way).
 
I truly believe that the problems of the public services can only be solved via a debt default. Only when the money truly runs out will the govt be able to tackle the budgets, resources and practices of the public sector. Of course some public sector bodies are way more wasteful than others (FAS, HSE, Councils) but it is clear that Croke Park and the Unions and populist political parties will prevent any real improvement. And the IMF seem ineffective so far.
 
I heard a union chappy (Siptu) on Newstalk this am. He sounded mortified but determined to "negotiate." Ah, just like the good old days, where the indefensible is defended by the incorrigible.
 
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