Primetime Investigates: Irish Priests in Africa

The_Banker

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Did anyone see this programme last night? Shocking, truely shocking.

What happened in Ireland from the 50s - 90s is happening in Africa right now. Priests being moved on to another parish when reports of abuse surface. If authorities investigate then the abuser is brought home.

The church still protecting the church and letting the abused suffer.
 

From Broadsheet.ie (don't know how to link this part so copied over):



If you saw last night’s Prime Time report by Aoife Kavanagh, you’ll know – if you didn’t sense it already – that Irish priests and nuns brought more than the Good Book to Africa.
The “pennies for the little black babies” funded some to go to the Third World and abuse youngsters in their care.
And they were aided by their superiors and the by-now familiar pattern: moving abusers around, not cooperating with local police, Vatican indifference etc., etc.
Fr Eamon Aylward (above), executive secretary of The Union of Irish Missionaries, went on Morning Ireland this morning to defend his organisation. You might have heard him.
What you may not know is that he was expertly coached and that it was just the start of an expensive PR operation by the UIM, – revealed in last Sunday’s Sunday Business Post – designed to limit damage.
The article says the UIM is “understood to have hired several public relations experts, including Terry Prone, to manage the fallout from [the documentary].”​
It goes on to highlight the importance of developing a ‘‘support system for those fronting the issue’’ in broadcast and print media.” That’s counselling for the people defending the church.
But it gets better.
After various ” internal focus groups” members identified the biggest obstacles facing the religious orders at the moment.
And they were…
‘‘Fear of losing power [and] status’’ and a ‘‘fear of change’’.​
Irish Missionaries Union Statement
 
I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw enough. I am sick to my back teeth of hearing about this. And the same rigmaroll of the Church to get itself out of trouble. I found the two people I saw; the young man from SA and the Nigerian woman were particularly heart breaking. I just find myself getting so angry I nearly need to switch this stuff off just because it is so disturbing.
 
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Saw it on the net today - extremely distressing. And it is just the tip of the iceberg, if it follows the usual trend. If the UK can summons English paedophiles (after returning from sex holidays in Thailand), how come our judiciary can't prosecute these vile, cowardly reprobates?
 
R.T.E. reports that the Gardai are to investigate. Have we not enough crime in this country to investigate besides taking this on. The number of Gardai is dropping due to no recruitment. The age profile is increasing. I know that this is a terrible crime but reality must apply. Are the Gardai going to spend thousands of Euro tripping off to Africa to investigate this while the African countries do nothing
 
R.T.E. reports that the Gardai are to investigate. Have we not enough crime in this country to investigate besides taking this on. The number of Gardai is dropping due to no recruitment. The age profile is increasing. I know that this is a terrible crime but reality must apply. Are the Gardai going to spend thousands of Euro tripping off to Africa to investigate this while the African countries do nothing

I'm tempted to say you are trolling...
 
I agree with Bronte - this is hardly news, the Catholic Church is a haven for paedophiles, the uncovered abuses in this country are only the tip of the iceberg.
 
NO mandatory reporting of child abuse ........ is the issuing of that policy itself not a criminal act. After all that has happened how can view have the gall to have such a policy and how can view allowed to have such a policy .


tip of the iceberg indeed
 
I agree with Bronte - this is hardly news, the Catholic Church is a haven for paedophiles, the uncovered abuses in this country are only the tip of the iceberg.

It was a disturbing programme alright. History repeating itself. Africa seems to be the Vatican's new cash cow.

What gets me is that the Roman Catholic Church seems to be impervious to all the scandal and criticism of recent years. They haven't really changed anything and somehow continue to be as popular given the number of baptisms, communions and confirmations taking place every weekend. I don't get it.
 
The age profile is increasing. I know that this is a terrible crime but reality must apply. Are the Gardai going to spend thousands of Euro tripping off to Africa to investigate this while the African countries do nothing

I cannot believe you wrote this. Irish citizens are paedophiles who disguise themselves as caring priests and religious and need to be investigated. End of.

No doubt plenty of those child rapists specifically joined religious communities to go abroad to rape children and to have the cover of the Roman Catholic church in doing so. If I were such a depraved individual it seems like the best organisation to join bar none. And nothing has changed in that repect.
 
What gets me is that the Roman Catholic Church seems to be impervious to all the scandal and criticism of recent years. They haven't really changed anything and somehow continue to be as popular given the number of baptisms, communions and confirmations taking place every weekend. I don't get it.

In relation to communions in particular it seems to be all about money from start to finish. How much can be spent on the outfits, the do, the hair, the make up. It bears no resemblance that one can think of to the life of This post will be deleted if not edited immediately. The whole think is perverse. For true believers I have no issue. For the other 90% who won't be seen again in church for years what can one say.
 
I dont understand why some international body cant start from the top down and arrest the Pope for criminal activity, aiding and abetting known criminals, and then move on down the ranks and arrest the cardinals, bishops etc who have assisted in the coverup and on down to the child abusers themselves. Is there no international body with the power to do this?
 
I dont understand why some international body cant start from the top down and arrest the Pope for criminal activity, aiding and abetting known criminals, and then move on down the ranks and arrest the cardinals, bishops etc who have assisted in the coverup and on down to the child abusers themselves. Is there no international body with the power to do this?

I always wondered if a country could issue an international arrest warrent for the Pope. Im sure it could be done but I doubt if the political will is there to do it.
 
I always wondered if a country could issue an international arrest warrent for the Pope. Im sure it could be done but I doubt if the political will is there to do it.

I would imagine the Pope enjoys diplomatic immunity in most of the sginificant Countries around the world as the Vatican has full diplomatic relations with most of them.
 
Sunny and The_Banker, you got me interested in whether or not the Pope has diplomatic immunity and I found an interesting article here.

Dawkins, Hitchens and the barristers mentioned in the article are intelligent people - so presumably if they are saying its legal, it is - however, as the_banker says, the political will is not there.

On the subject of diplomatic immunity the solicitor claims in the article that:
“There is every possibility of legal action against the Pope occurring,” said Stephens. “Geoffrey and I have both come to the view that the Vatican is not actually a state in international law. It is not recognised by the UN, it does not have borders that are policed and its relations are not of a full diplomatic nature.”

The Vatican do claim he has diplomatic immunity.

I mean what does it take? The man has covered up horrendous crimes, and aided criminals!!!
 
I think he was found to have had diplomatic immunity in the Courts in the States anyway. Think the UK Government have said the same thing.
 
It was a shocking story, but I wasn't shocked (by the revelations).

The CC is getting more sickening by the day. They have covered up some of the most evil people ever, and commited some of the worst crimes ever.
 
I dont understand why some international body cant start from the top down and arrest the Pope for criminal activity, aiding and abetting known criminals, and then move on down the ranks and arrest the cardinals, bishops etc who have assisted in the coverup and on down to the child abusers themselves. Is there no international body with the power to do this?

Citizen's arrest?
 
Anyone like to comment on this...? (I didn't see the programme)

Trial by media puts society in the dock

By John Boland
Saturday May 28 2011



I seem to be more troubled than some readers about the now-routine practice of trial by television. Writing last week about the Prime Time Investigates probe into the taxi industry, I expressed my unease at the singling out of an African man who was double-jobbing as a Dublin bus driver and a cabbie. Was he the only person in [broken link removed] engaged in such practices, I wondered?


Accused by one emailer of being a politically correct bleeding heart, I incurred the wrath of another for appearing to condone the fact that the person in question was putting the safety of passengers at risk, which wasn't my intention at all. I merely felt that the programme's expose of a couple of individuals who have never been charged or even arrested for offences alleged by reporter [broken link removed] seemed invidiously selective.



This week's Prime Time Investigates (RTÉ1) adopted the same name-and-shame approach -- and the same tactic of cornering the offending person with a camera crew and a reporter armed with a microphone.



In this case, though, I shouldn't have felt unhappy with the techniques being employed -- after all, the subject was clerical paedophilia by Irish missionaries in [broken link removed], which should immediately forfeit any sympathy for its perpetrators.


Yet something still niggled.


Although there was no doubting the sincerity or honesty of the distressed young Africans being interviewed, none of the priests named as abusers has been convicted of any crime and most of them haven't even been charged.


That may be the grievous fault of a system that allows clerical authorities -- from the papacy down to heads of religious orders -- to cover up sexual crimes by its members, but it also allows the media to act both as police force and sentencing judge, which seems to me a troubling outcome.
As if mindful of this unsatisfactory situation and of the fact that the film's thrust mostly depended on unproven accusations, reporter Aoife Kavanagh prefaced the individual stories by mentioning "allegations" of abuse and rape, though she then proceeded to speak of them as unarguable facts. And they probably were, though is "probably" good enough when a priest who's confronted by her outside a Galway church and accused of the sexual abuse of a young Kenyan woman denies any knowledge of the woman in question or the crime with which an RTÉ reporter is charging him?


It's a vexing question. I'm well aware that the clerical crimes with which we're all now familiar might never have come to light if it weren't for the diligence and tenacity of crusading journalists, and it would take a very blinkered person not to see that if clerical sex abuse was rife in [broken link removed] it was almost certainly even more unfettered in Africa, but even those accused of paedophilia are entitled to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Or is that unsayable?
 
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