Roy Keane: A Crap Football Manager?

I would not say they are complete failures as players but their achievements are certainly modest in comparison to their success in management, both the most successful managers their clubs have had.
 
To answer the OP's original question, Yes I do think he regrets making that comment about McCarthy, but Roy being Roy will probably never admit it.

With regard to great players not making great managers, I think Kenny Dalglish's record stands up as a manager. 4 1st division/premiership championships, 2 FA Cups, 4 Charity Shields :), a Scottish League Cup and who knows what may happen with his new role.

Bit of trivia: Dalglish is only the third manager in the history of the game to lead two different clubs to league championships, Herbert Chapman (Arsenal and Huddersfield Town) and Brian Clough (Derby County and Nottingham Forest) being the others
 
Staples said:
It always amuses me when it's suggested that Ferguson and Wenger were failures as footballers. Both of them played professionally which means they were a lot better than average and this undoubtedly gave them an edge when they moved into management.
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I disagree

Being a player (good or otherwise) doesn't necessarily mean that you will be a good manager.
 
Indeed. Surely managing is managing?

Assuming you are not totally clueless about the sport surely anyone who has an understanding and has good managerial and people skills would make a good job of it. Don't necessarily have to have ever played really IMO. I'm sure it's an advantage but not critical.
 
Assuming you are not totally clueless about the sport surely anyone who has an understanding and has good managerial and people skills would make a good job of it.
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LOL! You should see my Fantasy Football team! Its glaringly obvious I don't have a clue!
 
Caveat said:
IndeedI'm sure it's an advantage but not critical.
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Eh..isn't that what I said?

Good managers will always be good managers but surely it helps to have been directly exposed to how football is structured and played at the highest level.
 
Eh..isn't that what I said?
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A bit. Not exactly. I'm suggesting that you don't need to have even played. Ever.

Anyway, not contradicting you - just adding my two cents, that's all.
 
Ceist Beag said:
Gordon Strachan was far from a poor manager! He had a better record at Celtic than Martin O'Neill. He just started to take himself too seriously after that (travelling the world studying soccer in other countries to try and improve his own management style) rather than having faith in his own abilities.
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Managing Celtic and only having to better the one solitary other side in a very poor Scottish league no better than the English League one does not quantify him as a good manager, he also achieved a modicum of success at Southampton (cup final loss to Man Utd) but was sacked by both Coventry and more recently Middlesborough for errrr....being crap.
If he is a good manager lets see just which high profile position he takes up next ?
 
legs-akimbo said:
Managing Celtic and only having to better the one solitary other side in a very poor Scottish league no better than the English League one does not quantify him as a good manager, he also achieved a modicum of success at Southampton (cup final loss to Man Utd) but was sacked by both Coventry and more recently Middlesborough for errrr....being crap.
If he is a good manager lets see just which high profile position he takes up next ?
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2nd round of the champions league beating man utd on the way and only going out to ac milan in extra time says he's a better manager than you're giving him credit for.

He also won 3 league titles in a row with Celtic, something not done since Jock Stein was in charge.
 
Reporter: So, Gordon, in what areas do you think Middlesbrough were better than you today?
Strachan: What areas? Mainly that big green one out there...
 
elefantfresh said:
Reporter: So, Gordon, in what areas do you think Middlesbrough were better than you today?
Strachan: What areas? Mainly that big green one out there...
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:D

Some great quotes out there from him! I could actually listen to him talk about football all day. Much better than the bland, boring cliche ridden 'analysis' of Shearer, Hansen, Gray etc.
 
I will concede he did ok with Celtic, but I could never count league success in such a poor league as a massive achievement, if he was such a good or even half decent gaffer he would have had Middlesborough in contention at the very least considering the cash he was allowed to spend. He never pulled up any trees in the Premiership either.
As I have mentioned...Do take note of O'Driscoll, that man is destined to do very well !
 
As a player, a legend.

As a manager, jury still out. But not looking great for him. Hope he gets the Utd job some day!!
 
TarfHead said:
4 Charity Shields, a Scottish League Cup :)

Fixed that for ya :D


What about the 'Kirkcaldy's' Raith Rovers famous win over Celtic in the 94/95 League Cup Final when they were a 1st division side. Them boys are still legends in Raith today - not to be smirked at :D

I'll give you one about 'the history of football' :eek:, but following too many years of listening to Andy Gray and Co, I'd forgotten the game was played outside England
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Bill Struth said:
2nd round of the champions league beating man utd on the way and only going out to ac milan in extra time says he's a better manager than you're giving him credit for.

He also won 3 league titles in a row with Celtic, something not done since Jock Stein was in charge.
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If you just left it at the last two lines it would sound better, but reaching the second round of anything doesn't sound like a roaring sucess.
York city bet United too, can't remember who their manager was and they went to the 4th round!
 
MrMan said:
If you just left it at the last two lines it would sound better, but reaching the second round of anything doesn't sound like a roaring sucess.
York city bet United too, can't remember who their manager was and they went to the 4th round!
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I never said it was a "roaring success", I was making the point that a crap manager wouldn't get a team playing in a crap league:rolleyes: out of the group stage of the champions league.
 
Bill Struth said:
I never said it was a "roaring success", I was making the point that a crap manager wouldn't get a team playing in a crap league:rolleyes: out of the group stage of the champions league.
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ok i withdraw roaring from my post..
 
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