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They were beaten well and despite the goal they didnt get, Germany deserved victory.
I cant see the reason for gloating though.
I cant see the reason for gloating though.
i'm not gloating, just stating the way i see it. not irish myself so no 1916 trauma here
My team (the one which I nominated as potential outright winners in another thread) won. Gloat, gloat gloat; gloat, gloat gloat ....
Gloating or anything else aside, England were simply shockingly bad. They literally defended like schoolboys and passed like a pub 5 a side team.
Credit to Germany - they were good and easily the deserved winners but not to take it away from them, they were not outstanding. The final score was more reflective of a shambolic woeful England performance than of a classy German one.
In fairness to England I think they were demoralised. It seems that everyone in the team, in the country and the dogs on the street saw problems with Capello's tactics/strategy - unconventional formations and positions. The players were stuck with something that they didn't want and that deep down they thought simply wouldn't work.
Credit to Germany - they were good and easily the deserved winners but not to take it away from them, they were not outstanding. The final score was more reflective of a shambolic woeful England performance than of a classy German one.
In fairness to England I think they were demoralised. It seems that everyone in the team, in the country and the dogs on the street saw problems with Capello's tactics/strategy - unconventional formations and positions. The players were stuck with something that they didn't want and that deep down they thought simply wouldn't work.
Not sure why anyone is surprised or is blaming Capello. England players are simply not good enough. Glen Johnson, Matthew Upson, Jermaine Defoe, Gareth Barry, Emile Heskey, Peter Crouch are not even good Champions League Players. Frank Lampard and Stephen Garrard are great players doing a certain job but are not great midfeild players i.e. in getting the ball and controlling a game (hence why Capello wanted Scholes back so much). John Terry is past his best. England have two world class players in Rooney and Ashley Cole. Rooney wasn't fit and hasn't been since he got injured. Cole had a good world cup despite his personal problems.
They were rubbish against USA and Algeria. Despite the press reports, they were also rubbish against Slovenia who were the smallest nation at the world cup and lost to Northern Ireland in the qualifiers. Yesterday was a disaster waiting to happen. I have to say I was amazed at how bad they actually turned out to be though. For a team managed by Capello to concede a goal from a kick out is unbelievable. Having said all that, I was sorry to see them go out in that manner.
They were rubbish against USA and Algeria. Despite the press reports, they were also rubbish against Slovenia who were the smallest nation at the world cup and lost to Northern Ireland in the qualifiers. Yesterday was a disaster waiting to happen. I have to say I was amazed at how bad they actually turned out to be though. For a team managed by Capello to concede a goal from a kick out is unbelievable. Having said all that, I was sorry to see them go out in that manner.
No they didn't. Weren't in the same group.
Think you are getting mixed up with another qualifying campaign.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying about the players but Capello has to take a great deal of the blame.
I never really thought about club v international managers until this world cup. Capello is a good club manager. He is a rubbish international manager. That is beyond doubt IMO. It was his first time ever to manage at a tournament and he was terrible.
- Terry and David James had separate mini-mutinies.
- He moved the players to a base far away from everything but then didn't manage the boredom.
- He left players hanging on to see who would play.
- He called up Paul Scholes and Carragher at the last minute.
- He was stubborn and wouldn't change the formation when the whole world and his dog could see that 442 was never, ever going to work at this level.
- He played Heskey when they needed goals.
- He played Rooney against Slovenia when he should have been dropped after the Algeria game.
- He publicly spoke about how important Barry was. Barry is useless at that level. Carrick is mediocre but 3 league medals and a chamions league might at least warrant a game. He could not be any worse than Barry and at least he would have ran after Ozil.
- He talked about the usual "passion" rubbish. That way of playing is from the 80's.
- Did I mention he played Heskey when they needed goals?
Can't argue about Heskey or Barry. Just look at the way Barry was considered crucial to England's hopes to show how desperate they were. I think the fact that Capello was looking to bring Hargreaves and tried to get Scholes at the last minute showed the confidence that he had in some of his players.
You forgot ..
- sending on Subbuteo Wright-Phillips with 5 minutes left.
- selecting Subbuteo Wright-Phillips & Aaron Lennon
Frank Lampard is a good player for Chelsea, when he has Ballack beside him and Obi Mikel or Makalele or Essien behind him
Steven Gerrard was a great player for Liverpool, with Xabi Alonso and Javi Mascherano behind him. This season ? Not so much.
See where I'm going with this
?Rooney's form peaked in March. When he was on fire then, he was complemented by Park and Valencia and Nani being there for him.
Joe Cole was held out as the great white hope, but many conveniently forgot that he missed much of the season through injury and when he returned, he was nowhere near the player he had been, one back-heeled goal notwithstanding.
Rooney didn't look fit anyway, and hasn't done since he got injured against Bayern Munich.
England's ability to keep the ball is virtually non-existent (as is Ireland's in fairness). IMO this comes from playing in the 100mph Premiership where it doesn't really matter if you lose the ball that quickly because your opponents will give it back just as quick.
Unfortunately for England, that doesn't happen in the International game.
In fact, England should be glad that they didn't meet a decent South American team, all 5 of whom would be capable of owning the ball for 65-70% of the game against a team like England.
Realistically England need a good long look in the mirror and they need to start at grass-roots level and try to teach kids to keep the ball and pass it rather than the good old-fashioned English way of a target man up front and a little man playing off him.
Thanks God they are out anyway.
England's ability to keep the ball is virtually non-existent (as is Ireland's in fairness). IMO this comes from playing in the 100mph Premiership where it doesn't really matter if you lose the ball that quickly because your opponents will give it back just as quick.
Unfortunately for England, that doesn't happen in the International game.
In fact, England should be glad that they didn't meet a decent South American team, all 5 of whom would be capable of owning the ball for 65-70% of the game against a team like England.
Realistically England need a good long look in the mirror and they need to start at grass-roots level and try to teach kids to keep the ball and pass it rather than the good old-fashioned English way of a target man up front and a little man playing off him.
Thanks God they are out anyway.
They weren't.
Your own link shows that they were in with Croatia, Ukraine, Andorra, Belarus and Kazakhstan. They won all but one game.
Perhaps you are getting confused with the 1-0 defeat they suffered to NI in Belfast when David Healy scored? If so that was in Sept 2005, in qualifyign for the 2006 WC.
Your clock is way out.
Back on topic I think the failure of England can be summed up in a few points:
1) Their players aren't as good as Sky TV will have us believe they are.
2) Their best players play better at club level cos they are surrounded by some of the worlds best foreign players.
3) They stick too rigidly at all age levels, right up to full international, on the 4-4-2 system. There is a lack of fluidity in their players and tactics.
4) They pick the 11 best players in England, and then try to fit them into positions, rather than picking the best team. This is due to the fact that managers have found it impossible to drop some of the Golden Generation, and ends up playing some out of position just to have them in the team, a la Gerrard. I thought Capello was going to be the manager to have the balls to drop 'stars', but once he succumbed to pressure to play Becks until he got his 100th cap, you knew he had no backbone.
5) They lack the basics of control, passing and movement. Their game from U6 level is based on running mad, running fast, and not on ball retention.
And best of all, they aren't going to improve any time soon, cos we will soon be back into the full throws of 'the best league in the world', Rooney and Lamps and Stevie G will be banging them in again, they will be stuffing teams from Belgium, Turkey and Portugal in the CL, and all will be forgotten, until the next major tournament.
1) Their players aren't as good as Sky TV will have us believe they are.
2) Their best players play better at club level cos they are surrounded by some of the worlds best foreign players.
3) They stick too rigidly at all age levels, right up to full international, on the 4-4-2 system. There is a lack of fluidity in their players and tactics.
4) They pick the 11 best players in England, and then try to fit them into positions, rather than picking the best team. This is due to the fact that managers have found it impossible to drop some of the Golden Generation, and ends up playing some out of position just to have them in the team, a la Gerrard. I thought Capello was going to be the manager to have the balls to drop 'stars', but once he succumbed to pressure to play Becks until he got his 100th cap, you knew he had no backbone.
5) They lack the basics of control, passing and movement. Their game from U6 level is based on running mad, running fast, and not on ball retention.
And best of all, they aren't going to improve any time soon, cos we will soon be back into the full throws of 'the best league in the world', Rooney and Lamps and Stevie G will be banging them in again, they will be stuffing teams from Belgium, Turkey and Portugal in the CL, and all will be forgotten, until the next major tournament.
Crossed lines, misread the original post. Apologies.
Thought he was chatting about England losing 1-0 to NI, not Slovenia.