New Garda in area harrassing locals

[redbhoy]

everything else is keeping with enforcing the law which is his job and perhaps if we had more like him this cushy attitude of letting car tax run out, speeding because 'you know the local roads' and drinking after hours because you are 'enjoying your night out' might actually be stopped.

I'm by no means a model citizen (I'll admit to going above the speed limit regularily and am always the last person to leave the pub) but I say stop giving him a hard time for doing his job at the end of day.

His job is to keep the peace. Thats the LAW. No breach of peace, no law is broke.
Everything else is usually to do with a money making racket named the Criminal Courts System of Ireland. Did he take an oath to uphold the duties of a Peace Officer or was there another Oath brought in which holds him to become a Policy Enforcement Officer or Revenue Collection Officer?

 

[csirl]

Maybe this Guard is normal and the previous one was lazy?

 

[Moral Ethos]

Drink driving? That is not normal.

 

[Staples]

The new Garda has chosen to make the locals life hell: waiting outside the pubs, writing down registration numbers of people in pub so they can be approached the following morning. If tax or Insurance is expired rather than offer a casual word issues summons.

There may come a day that you'll be glad that the person who's in collision with your car is both insured and sober. If it does, I hope you'll remember the efforts of the Garda to instil such a culture.

In the meantime, you should report him for driving while over the limit.

in the bigger towns and cities the Gardai watch the drunkards knock the hell out of one another and innocent bystanders and nothing is done

Dodge City perhaps but nowhere I've ever been.

 

[truthseeker]

I dont see the issue with any of the law enforcement 'problems' mentioned. He may be enforcing the law more stringently than the last guy, but maybe the last guy was a bit lax.

Drink driving himself? Id be interested to know if this really is the case or if he has 2 shandys and goes home and the rumour grows legs and runs.

Similar to the transfer because he cheesed off the locals in the last place story - how would anyone know that? Sounds like another rumour.

Ive not had experience of drunkards knocking the hell out of each other and bystanders while watched by Gardai in any town or city in Ireland - this definitely sounds like a makey uppy story!!

Id be very careful regarding reporting him for drink driving unless Id sat there watching him do the drinking and KNEW he was drinking alcohol. Rumour can easily grow to life ruining proportions and by the sounds of things the locals in this place have just taken a dislike to the guy and no matter what he does he will be in the wrong.

 

[Moral Ethos]

Agree 100%. Unless someone has real proof they should keep their mouths shut. I have no problem with Gardaí enforcing the laws. If people can't be bothered to park properly or pay their road tax they should face the full rigours of the law.

 

[mathepac]

I dont see the issue with any of the law enforcement 'problems' mentioned.
... he cheesed off the locals in the last place story - how would anyone know that? Sounds like another rumour.
... Id be very careful regarding reporting him for drink driving unless Id sat there watching him do the drinking and KNEW he was drinking alcohol.
... by the sounds of things the locals in this place have just taken a dislike to the guy and no matter what he does he will be in the wrong.

Interesting post.

How were you able to distinguish between the "factual" parts of the original post regarding law-enforcement, accepted at face value, and the "rumour" and "story" that have grown out of the local dislike to the Guard in question?

I've re-read OP's contributions again and I can't seem to detect any subtle nuances or even glaring differences. What have I missed? What lead you to use your interpretive and analytical skills in one place and just accept the facts as stated in another?

... Unless someone has real proof they should keep their mouths shut. ...

That's not the way our system of law-enforcement works. Citizens report suspicions or observations to the appropriate authorities who are chartered to investigate, gather evidence, and either prosecute or refer on for further action. It works well and prevents citizens getting caught up in the minutiae of law-enforcement, or running investigations themselves.

 

[truthseeker]

How were you able to distinguish between the "factual" parts of the original post regarding law-enforcement, accepted at face value, and the "rumour" and "story" that have grown out of the local dislike to the Guard in question?

By using common sense.

 

[redbhoy]

Ive not had experience of drunkards knocking the hell out of each other and bystanders while watched by Gardai in any town or city in Ireland - this definitely sounds like a makey uppy story!

The rest of your post seems fair but as for this part, Lucky you. On numerous occassions Ive watched Gardaí stand by and look on as people were going hell for leather at each other. No arrests so long as the crowd dispersed afterwards. I seen a young lad get a headbutt for nothing and Gardaí going to arrest the victim while letting the toerag who did it walk away. Obviously not all Gardaí are the same but Ive seen a lot who fit this description.

 

[Staples]

Citizens report suspicions or observations to the appropriate authorities who are chartered to investigate, gather evidence, and either prosecute or refer on for further action.

In fairness, it helps it you're acting on something more than a hunch or rumour.

 

[Caveat]

On numerous occassions Ive watched Gardaí stand by and look on as people were going hell for leather at each other. No arrests so long as the crowd dispersed afterwards. I seen a young lad get a headbutt for nothing and Gardaí going to arrest the victim while letting the toerag who did it walk away. Obviously not all Gardaí are the same but Ive seen a lot who fit this description.

I've had similar experiences.

 

[Vanilla]

I spent a year living in a large town centre in an apartment overlooking the town square. Every friday night and saturday night ( and sometimes sunday) I could see more or less the same crowd outside the local chipper, after the night club, fighting( actually fighting with each other)/screaming/messing while the local gardai sat in their squad car down the street looking on.

 

[MANTO]

I spent a year living in a large town centre in an apartment overlooking the town square. Every friday night and saturday night ( and sometimes sunday) I could see more or less the same crowd outside the local chipper, after the night club, fighting( actually fighting with each other)/screaming/messing while the local gardai sat in their squad car down the street looking on.

 

[Vanilla]

How did you know it was Kilnascully?

 

[Guest103]

Drink Driving!
No Tax or Insurance!
Drinking in Pubs after hours!
Parking violations!
Speeding!

This sounds like trouble to me!

The Garda in question is only doing his job. He's not there to be your friend. He's there to enforce the law. Perhaps the previous Garda wasn't doing his job very well.

It sounds like if you obey the laws then you won't have any hassle with this Garda.

Regarding his alleged drink driving, there may be an element of sour grapes. If there is truth to this then he will be found out in time.

You may not like him but he seems to be doing the job he is paid to do.

 

[redbhoy]

Are the Gardaí Síochána not supposed to keep the peace? We have gone all 'Minority Report' on crime in this country, charging people for future crimes.
If government thinks speeding is a problem then why havent they introduced restrictors on car engines similar to ones on certain motorbikes?? Would it be that the government doesnt give a toss about deaths and only cares about Ireland Incorporated and its bottom line??

This Garda might be only 'doing his job' and you think its great as if he didnt theres a possiblity that the local area could descend into chaos. Fear is a great weapon of the government. The Fear of what MIGHT happen. Well lets flip it around and think that maybe if we were allowed do as we please so long as we didnt breach the peace well then society would be a mich happier place in fact with less crime etc. Why dont we look on the possibility of a positive instead of always looking for a negative spin on things.

 

[notagardener]

Report the matter to the Garda Ombudsman

Address:

150 Abbey Street Upper, Dublin 1.

LoCall: 1890 600 800, Phone: 01 871 67 27

Q1.: Will the new system of investigating complaints be any different from the old system, under the Garda Síochána Complaints Board?

• A.:The Garda Ombudsman will have its own, trained investigations staff, unlike the Garda Síochána Complaints Board which relied on Gardaí to investigate complaints against Gardaí.

 

[redbhoy]

Funny that. I have a friend who is currently pursuing a complaint with the Garda Ombudsman and guess what? It was a Garda who interviewed him only last week. My friend said that he went in all confident and came out feeling like he had just been de-programmed. The Garda more or less said it probably wouldnt go any further even though theres several witnesses and affidavits filed. He knows about NLP techniques and thinks the Garda investigator was using them.

 

[Slash]

The new Garda has chosen to make the locals life hell: waiting outside the pubs, writing down registration numbers of people in pub so they can be approached the following morning. If tax or Insurance is expired rather than offer a casual word issues summons. Walking into pubs to clear them and forcing customers out before drinks finished. Warning people/elderly who park incorrectly outside the local shop. Countless road blocks in different locations for speeding. Lays down the law sternly to the local publicans.

What? A Garda is enforcing the law? The nerve of him. Who does he think he is?

Look, the laws are not only for "that crowd up in Dublin and we have our own ways of doing things here". Laws are to be obeyed, whether you like them or not. If you don't like the law, write to your local legislator and ask for the law to be changed. But until then, just obey the law.

 

[Moral Ethos]

Report the matter to the Garda Ombudsman

Address:

150 Abbey Street Upper, Dublin 1.

LoCall: 1890 600 800, Phone: 01 871 67 27

Q1.: Will the new system of investigating complaints be any different from the old system, under the Garda Síochána Complaints Board?

• A.:The Garda Ombudsman will have its own, trained investigations staff, unlike the Garda Síochána Complaints Board which relied on Gardaí to investigate complaints against Gardaí.

Not entirely true. Many complaints are sent back from GSOC to local superintendents to investigate.