More reasons for mandatory sentencing

[shnaek]

Nope - just reading the court reports in the Irish Times and the odd bit of TV news. Do you really, really think that if you lock up the current generation of drug dealers that all sales of illegal drugs will just stop?

Thanks for putting words into my mouth there, brother. Where did I mention anything about drugs?

Let me put it plainly. You said:

"as other younger (more violent, more reckless) criminals will rise up to fill the vacuum"

Where are your sources for this?

 

[shnaek]

You just need to look at the escalating violence in our society and news reports to see the shift in age vs level of violence.

I agree with this. But to argue that locking up the current criminals will lead to even worse violence is just, frankly, nonsense! I mean, follow that arguement through with rapists, murderers etc. and see where it goes...

There ARE more younger & more violent criminals out there, and its very scary.

Indeed. So I suggest we lock them up.

Though perhaps if we keep locking them up time and time again it will end up with the Ultimate Fearless and Wreckless Criminal Of All Time...

 

[csirl]

Originally Posted by MANTO http://www.askaboutmoney.com/showthread.php?p=1044447#post1044447
There ARE more younger & more violent criminals out there, and its very scary.

The logic of what you are saying is that if you lock up every single criminal, then ordinary law abiding folk will morph into younger and more violent criminals to fill the gap. Ultimately it means you are suggesting that, depending on how many people are locked up, we are all potentially dangerous criminals. I dont buy this. I dont see myself ever morphing into a dangerous criminal even if half the country is locked up.

 

[MANTO]

The logic of what you are saying is that if you lock up every single criminal, then ordinary law abiding folk will morph into younger and more violent criminals to fill the gap. Ultimately it means you are suggesting that, depending on how many people are locked up, we are all potentially dangerous criminals. I dont buy this. I dont see myself ever morphing into a dangerous criminal even if half the country is locked up.

Where did i say any of that???

 

[csirl]

Where did i say any of that???

Then where are these "younger & more violent criminals" coming from?

 

[MANTO]

Nope - just reading the court reports in the Irish Times and the odd bit of TV news. Do you really, really think that if you lock up the current generation of drug dealers that all sales of illegal drugs will just stop?

As complainer said above. csirl, i am just stating a fact, there are younger more violent crimals out there than before. Anybody who thinks there aren't are kidding themselves.

I have said on another thread, we need better Education & Policing. I have said anything about locking up every criminal. We would need an offshore Island for that......


[broken link removed] (have a look at page 54 - its not age related but shows the clear trend of homicide alone in this country, there are some other interesting graphs)

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According to figures from the Central Statistics Office, Ireland has a relatively large youth population, 632,732 persons between the ages of 15- 24 (CSO). Youth Crime as an issues has over the last decade received considerable attention from the public, the Government has reacted to this concern by introducing the Children Act 2001 (O'Dwyer, 2001).

While youth crime overall is relatively low in Ireland compared to some countries, it is high in socially disadvantaged areas and among school dropouts (O'Dwyer, 2001). Drug addiction and related criminal behavior are major concerns in local communities across the country.​

 

[censuspro]

€280,000 arsonist walks away with a suspended sentence

I guess this will also be labeled as more rabble-rousing tabloid journalism by those to the left however I thought I would raise the issue again all the same.

In suspending the sentence, Judge Ryan said the court had taken into account Harcourt's good employment record, his standing in the community, his early plea of guilty and testimonials to his good character.

God forbid we send him to prison he had a tough life.

She also said the court noted Harcourt's personal circumstances, in that his drug-addicted mother died in 2001, leaving his sister, who was 15 years old at the time, to raise him.

I can even hear the violin.