Taking photographs in Church

i dont see why taking a few photos is a big deal frankly.
We were told not to and we didn't and as far as i saw only 1/2 parents did and that was as the kids actually got the communion so not very obstrusive.

I woud personally have liked a video of at least some of the ceremony as it was lovely

I think the "church" and posters here should chill out.
 
Thanks Caveat and Truthseeker.

mtk - no one is objecting to a few discreet photos being taken. Maybe read my opening post again.
 
I'll admit I was just joking with my defence of the photograph takers, nobody else was sticking up for them. So all that cash cow stuff was tongue in cheek.

However, I don't see the great hypocrisy between the ceremonial attendance and the day-to-day. It's a much bigger discussion, but it's too easy to judge all these people the same and forget about external or perceived pressure on them to do the "right" thing. Maybe it's the church going parents/grandparents who expect it all to be done officially, maybe it's a belief that with schooling, baptism is essential and that then you have to go through with communions and confirmations.

I'd agree, it may not be to everyone's liking, but when it comes to matters of family and kids, the path of least resistance is hard to ignore. In an ideal world we'd all be big an tough enough to stick to our morals and chosen lack of effort in faith or belief, but when it comes to not upsetting the nannies or at least not having them the talk of the town or when it comes to not having your child sat alone while all their friends do the communions, it's easier to just go along with it.

I'm sure there are many here who consider themselves agnostic, atheist or whatever who also had their confirmations etc at a local church. While in our day it may not have been at the scale it is today, when we made up our minds about not believing (or sit on the fence as each way bet agnostic) did you hand back your confirmation money, presents etc? Isn't that hypocritical, selfish, greedy, etc?

The main point is that this isn't hypocritical, it's just the way it is. I'd see Irish Catholicism in the same way as a lot of Judaism, it's more cultural than spiritual. There are an awful lot of atheists who still describe themselves as Catholics and the same in Judaism (outside of Israel).

And that's not unique to Ireland, I think it's a hang over from Celtic and other forms of paganism where it was more about there ceremony than the spiritual side. When completing the conversion to Christianity, the sales pitch was that you get to keep the parties, you just don't have to sacrifice any goats or virgins and you don't have to get up at the crack of dawn on an equinox to get soaked wet in Meath. We were basically told you could keep the parties and have a few more, just change who we're worshipping.

Anyway, I do agree with ignorant gits at these things taking pictures etc, but there are rude inconsiderate people everywhere in at every event. I do disagree with judging those who attend too harshly on whether they're hypocrites or not.
 
I overheard a 8/9 year old child at a communion party over the weekend claiming to have got €4,000 odd for her communion. I don't know her or her family, so I can't say anything about the veracity of the claim.

If it is true, it is obscene.
 
Im a non believer. I hate everything the catholic church stands for.
I have a child on the way. I have no intension of having the child christened.
When she/he is 7 or 8 and if the majority of the kids are making communuion and my child wants to make it then I will let him/her.
I will stand in the church, take photographs (so long as I am allowed) and be proud.
Am I a hypocrite? Maybe.
Do I care if the catholic church thinks me a hypocrite? Ha ha
 
Im a non believer. I hate everything the catholic church stands for.
I have a child on the way. I have no intension of having the child christened.
When she/he is 7 or 8 and if the majority of the kids are making communuion and my child wants to make it then I will let him/her.
I will stand in the church, take photographs (so long as I am allowed) and be proud.
Am I a hypocrite? Maybe.
Do I care if the catholic church thinks me a hypocrite? Ha ha

If your child is not christened in the Catholic church then he/she cannot make their communion so you won't have to be a hypocrite!
 
Children who have not been baptised into the Catholic Church can be included on the day, just not receive the Sacrament. From my own experience, last year, of my son's first Holy Communion, the parents whose children were included on the day, seemed happy to be part of the day.
 
Get your sacraments right - you mean baptised.

Whatever- I think people know what I meant. Banker mentioned getting his child Christened - I was replying to his comment not correcting his grammer/use of words. I'll leave that to you :(
 
DO you care if your child doesn't get a place the local parish school, because christened Catholics are given priority for places?

Do you know that to be true for all schools ?

In my son's class, there are six children who have not been baptised into the Catholic Church. His class is one of four in that year, and the other classes has a similar proportion.

All were made welcome to participate in the preparations for first Holy Communion.

IIRC, the ones who didn't get a place in the school, five years ago, were those from outside the cachement area, i.e. children not baptised were given a place, ahead of those baptised, on the basis of location.
 
Do you know that to be true for all schools ?

In my son's class, there are six children who have not been baptised into the Catholic Church. His class is one of four in that year, and the other classes has a similar proportion.

All were made welcome to participate in the preparations for first Holy Communion.

IIRC, the ones who didn't get a place in the school, five years ago, were those from outside the cachement area, i.e. children not baptised were given a place, ahead of those baptised, on the basis of location.

I think it depends on what the management of the particular school is. If it is a Catholic school then Baptised Catholic children in the catchment area are given preference, then other children in the catchment area, then other Baptised Catholic children from outside and finally all children from outside the area.
Educate Together Schools take all children in the catchment area then children from outside the catchment area. That is my understanding of the situation.
 
People are worse giving cash.

How do you stop, though? You can't make an example out of your child/niece/grandchild, to prove a point. It wouldn't be fair. And if the school or Church tried to ban it, that just wouldn't work. They would either be ignored, or told to mind their own business.

I agree, though, that kids getting thousands of euro is absolutely ridiculous.
 
Do you know that to be true for all schools ?

In my son's class, there are six children who have not been baptised into the Catholic Church. His class is one of four in that year, and the other classes has a similar proportion.
Any Church-owned school gives priority to baptised children. If there are enough spaces, then they accept everybody. If there are more applications than spaces, then the non-baptised children don't get a place.

How do you stop, though? You can't make an example out of your child/niece/grandchild, to prove a point.
Of course you can. Give a present instead of cash. Give an outing (i.e. spend time with the child) instead of cash.
 
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