Neighbour attempting to intensify right of way

R

rightofway

Guest
Hi, I'll try and keep this very long story as short as possible and would appreciate any help anyone can give.

Basically a neighbour who owns a house and land beyond my mother's home is trying to intensify the right of way. My mother's house is at the end of a rural county road in the south of the country but the last couple of hundred yards or so to her home are private and the road pretty much ends at her home. The fact that the last bit of the road is private is clearly stated on the county maps.

However from my mother's home there is a dirt lane running on to another house by the lake where Mr X has a derelict house and about a few acres of land. He has owned it for over 30years and my family has farmed the land for about 20 years, nothing too intense. This was all above board and paid for with a small fee each year, of which she has a record. There has always been a very amicable relationship and never any problems.

But in the past couple of weeks he has been seeking to build a 'proper' road to the house (the land between my mothers home and his derelict house belongs to neither but to another man, whom I can only presume has granted Mr X permission to tar it). My mother asked for info on how deep the road will be, does he plan to rebuild the house etc but he flatly refused to tell her anything. The problem is the road to her house is barely the width of a car, with the porch barely inches from the road. Plus there's a canopy of foliage so no trucks would ever be able to get in. And she is also concerned about a large development being built. He has been incredibly stubborn and is now threatening to go to the High Court - a threat I have no doubt he will carry out - accusing us of blocking his right of way. Granted, my mother placed a small obstruction in his way for a couple of days but removed it when she got a letter from him about it and she has never wilfully blocked access.

My question is, can he intensify the right of way or can we stop him doing that? What is the legal point of view on this? Obviously he has a right of way to his house, that is without question. But there is simply no room for the trucks he wants to bring in. Cars and small vans have gone down in the past and it may be a bit of a grey area because we've brought tractors down in the past. The thing is, I believe he is already intensifying access by just going on through and is going to change the right of way by stealth.

Apologies for the long winded posting but this man can easily afford a lengthy High Court battle whereas we can't even afford to walk up the steps. He's very well aware of this fact and I think he's mostly trying to bully us. He's brought in stones to upgrade the road but has left them a mile or so out the road and is getting a worker to bring them in by tractor. On another note, that worker destroyed some of our property which was outside the house by driving across it.

Obviously we are seeking legal advice at the moment but my mother is worried sick about this manner. Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.
 
I think given the suspicions you have about Mr X & his willingness to escalate, that you would be better seeking professional legal advice, and soon.

Unfortunately what appears to be morally correct or civil is often not reflected in law - but there is always a chance that the legal position may be more clear cut than you might imagine.

I think at least an initial visit to a solicitor is worthwhile - good luck!
 
I find it difficult to understand fully...you dont dispute the fact that he has a right of way down what you perceived to be your mothers private lane to her house ,behind it and down to his old house..but you do have a problem with what he brings down there and what he does on his own land??

The only comment i would make straight up is if there are trees/plants that overhang the road that were planted by your family then it is more than likely you who are breaching the right of way . His damaging them by using it would not be his fault i imagine? You may be entitled to a longer lease on his land however given that you have rented it for 20 years and if i was you this is what i would focus on. If you rent the land and old house/access to it then he will hardly do anything with it...I think though that it seems that he has already researched his legal standing and knows his rights. You do not but are upset with all the changes etc...this may be tough luck though. But the best advice to you is to seek legal advice asap so that you are equally informed.
 
Thanks. Trying to get someone who is an expert in right-of-way issues is difficult though. Anyone got an recommendations of where to go?
 
Don't know about 'specialists' in this area but I had some queries re right of way etc during house purchases over the last number of years. It didn't seem to be outside my solicitor's expertise - and he was just a standard, low profile, small town solicitor.
 
money_man, the issue is that he's intensifying the right of way. He can bring a car and farm machinery down but he is seeking to bring commerical vehicles ie, trucks. As far as I know you can't intensify a right of way to that extent without seeking agreement with the individual who owns the land. As I was saying, we don't want to stop him going to or maintaining his property, we just don't want huge trucks trundling within inches of our windows.
 
If I were to guess I'd say that at least 70% of solicitors in rural practices have been consulted on and have experience of disputes in relation to rights of ways.

I think the advice given is correct. Make an appointment to see a solicitor and get advice on your particular circumstances. You may need to bring with you a copy of all relevant title documents or your solicitor may need to apply for copies of these ( including the neighbours) in order to advise properly.
 
Im no legal expert and thats why in summary i said get some advice from your local solicitor or even better one from another town not too far away ..sometimes in these small rural areas there can be contacts/links etc. Anyway i didnt realise that a right of way stipulated what type of vehicle could or could not use it ? When you purchased the property it was obvious that there was a right of way in front of those windows so you can hardly complain when someone excercises that R.O.W. Ive never heard of intensifying a right of way so maybe someone could explain/define/clarify the meaning of the expression.
 
I think what the OP means by intensifying is extending the ROW or extending it's scope. A right of way can have all sorts of conditions/covenants attached if it is written which is why the solicitor will need to read all title documents and have a lengthy consultation with the clients regarding its usage before giving advice.
 
This was all above board and paid for with a small fee each year, of which she has a record.


I always understood that once a fee was paid (€1 a year or whatever) it was enough to stop a right-of-way developing ..... anyone know for sure ?
 
The fee was being paid by OP's family for farming the land to my reading, nothing to do with ROW.
 
I would agree with Vanilla there. But if the ROW is in existence more than 30 years it is unlikely that it will specifically allow agricultural machinery and disallow lorries/commercial vehichles given that they were not that widespread a consideration 30+ years ago in rural areas...I wouldnt spend too much money on legal advice however after a consultation with your solicitor and looking at maps/covenents i would imagine that it is emotion that is largely pushing this argument.
 
You're right - emotion is playing a big part but so too is the very real threat of being brought before the High Court. Unfortunately my mother seems to have been given bad advice by her solicitor to date which is why it has escalated this far. However the fact remains that the road is just wide enough for a car and the sides of the roads are now being damaged by attempts to bring trucks through
 
A detailed examination of the land registry maps will show the width/size of the road and therefore whether your land/property is being damaged or whether it is further widening the old car tracks that is still on the right of way
 
Unfortunately my mother seems to have been given bad advice by her solicitor to date which is why it has escalated this far.

Can you elaborate on what advice the solicitor has given so far?

Also has your mother asked the person over whose land the R of W exists about this,I think in your original post you said he may have got permission from the owner?

If the owner of the land has no objection or has granted an additional right of way or expanded on it and if whatever this person is doing does not require planning permission then unless it is impinging on your mothers legal rights e.g by some form of legal nuisance she may have to grin and bear it. It might be worthwhile checking in the local planning office as to any planning applications made etc..
 
Derelict house, lake, a lot of activity, yes, I recognise the signs. Make way for the next move which will be a planning notice, but they need the road fixed first so that people can get in and out.
 
If two or more people use the road then you will be able to get an 80/90% grant from the council to have the lane fully resurfaced / tarred so there may be advantages of this ....Im not sure that you have a legal leg to stand on to prevent this person from doing up their property on his own land via his RIGHT of way!
 
My reading of the meaning of 'intensifying right of way' is if your neighbour is trying to increase the width of the right of way encroaching on your property and also the usage of this right of way. Changing the right of way will require planning permission.
Nothing the neighbour can do will remove your own rights no matter which court or how much money the neighbour has.
Your most basic right is to object to any application he makes for planning permission.
You also have rights about which hours he builds and moves trucks up and down the right of way in this residential area and also the right of protection for your own property.

You should see your solicitor about your neighbour damaging your own property. You should look up the planning permission for the land at your local council offices and see building control about the uses and to which your neighbour is putting the land and also the hours the neighbour is working on this land.

The time will come when the neighbour applies for planning permission. If he hasnt already. You need to check this out.
With your solicitor onside , you need to protect your own interests by objecting to his planning permission on the basis that the lane is too small for a high density development and if he wants a block of apartments etc with 30/100 people then this will bring 30 cars down a very small residential laneway where children play etc . It would be a major change of use of the land and of the right of way. The fact your neighbour refuses to talk with you about it is a bad sign.
Even if planning permission isnt applied for yet you need to do your homework and be prepared for this but put a dampener on his enthusiasm right now while you can .
Dont worry about legal fees. Objecting to planning permission is relatively straightforward. However if the neighbour obtains his planning and you then wish to change anything after this then you will suffer a lot of fees as thats pretty much high court territory. So the rule is acting fast prevents fees.
The planning laws in this country dont give you much time to object or protect your own interests. You have to be on the ball about this. And once he obtains planning for his core development he will start getting cheeky and applying for 'minor' alterations to his existing planning e.g. add another floor to his development... add in a car park for 20 cars ... Not knowing your situation completely I can only speculate.
 
Firstly this neighbour has an existing right of way into the lake and the cottage. I doubt if occasional trucks and lorries using this right of way to gain entry to the neighbours land to renovate the cottage or build a replacement dwelling would be classified an intensifying the right of way. It would be intermittent use and the landowner would be entitled to do so.

However if the land owner were to apply for planning permission for a large development which would involve a permanent increase in traffic flow it could be classed as intensifying the RoW.But on the other hand this landowner may have a general right of way enabling him to do so. Without seeing the title documents and knowing anymore we could speculate but thats not of much assistance to you.
Who actually own's the road leading to your mothers house? You say it is private but this doesn't mean your mother owns it. It could belong to all the landowners in common including the neighbour.
You say that the Right of Way is only the width of a car due to overgrown foliage but presumably without the overgrown foliage the RoW would be much wider? Are there boundary walls along the RoW?
You really need to speak to a solicitor as previously advised on this thread. They will be able to advise you after taking a look at the title documents.
 
We can only speculate about this ...

It would be intermittent use and the landowner would be entitled to do so.

Only within specified hours and also without damaging the neighbours property. If the neighbours boundary wall needs to be demolished to allow a truck then this is illegal without the original posters permission.
If the development is large then a ,lot of earth might have to be moved and also materials brought in. If dumper trucks are too big for a right of way less than the width of a car then he cant use them. Maybe this right of way is a footpath and not a road ? Just think how narrow a car really is and according to the original poster this right of way is narrower.

.But on the other hand this landowner may have a general right of way enabling him to do so..

A general right of way doesnt mean he can build a high density development without planning.
 
Back
Top