Moving to UK - Continuing JSB

Discussion in 'Redundancy, unemployment & jobseekers entitlements' started by NeedSomeHelp, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. NeedSomeHelp

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    Hi All,

    I'm looking to move to the UK in the next week or so (just after Christmas) to stay at a friends place to find work there as I have family and friends located there.

    I read that I can transfer JSB to the UK with form U2.

    Just a question, how do I get the U2 form? Do I get it by visiting the office, or do they send it out? The reason is that I'm worried if they send it out I won't get it before I leave?

    Thanks
     
  2. Bronte

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    All I know is that the dole you get that is based on your prsi record is transferable for a period of time to another EU country. I got mine via some office in Dublin but I organised it via my social welfare office. It was called an E 109 or something at that time.

    Also handy is the European medical card, from the HSE I presume.
     
  3. NeedSomeHelp

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    Yeah, I know all that.

    You picked up the form rather than having it posted out to you yeah?

    I just want to know if I have to allow a certain amount of time for me to get hold of the form or I can simply rock up at the office and pick it up.
     
  4. Bronte

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    No way can I remember back that far. In any case procedures change all the time. Surely there is a website in Ireland with the information there. Like socialwelfare.ie
     
  5. NeedSomeHelp

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    Plenty of informatipon saying you need a form, but not how you get it.
     
  6. Bronte

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    Sorry but that's funny. Time for a phone call. Also try citizen's advice. They too have a website.
     
  7. moneybox

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    This is how it works the other way round, I presume it's the same system in Ireland.
    You request the U2 form from your local jobcentre in the UK. They will then ask you to fill a form wth your details and the address of the social welfare office or intreo centre you will be making your claim in once you get to Ireland. The staff will send your form away persumely to Newcastle. You have to wait for it to be posted out to you, it normally takes two weeks to receive, however if you think you will have left the country before it arrives, you can request for it to be send to your Irish address. When you receive it you have seven days to present yourself at your local social welfare office or risk losing benefit.

    It is slow and bureaucratic so be sure to take enough funds with you to the UK to tide you over. There is no community welfare officer to give you emergency funds in the UK if you run out if money.

    Also remember benefits are paid every two weeks in the UK unlike Ireland where the payment is weekly.
     
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  9. NeedSomeHelp

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    Just thought I would report back to tell people how it went. I got the form U2 from the Social Welfare office no problem within 15 minutes of going in there. I gave the U2 form to the UK Jobcentre just afterthey then told me to come back the next day to set up an interview with a work coach. So that is what I did and they took my form off me and said they will send it away.

    I was told that they will certainly comply with EU law and all of the regulations but could not tell me how long it would take. They then suggested that I take information on a course ran by the UK Job Centre for a week and that "perhaps this could help us speed up the paperwork." I'm not sure if that is thinly veiled blackmail or not, but I figured I may as well take it if it helped sort things out quicker.

    Then without me even agreeing to it, I was put on a course for unemployed which I started recently. I am the only person with an education or any work experience there. I have worked for the last 10 years without a single break of more than 2-3 months and I'm being taught basic things about how to turn on a computer, what a CV is, basic numerical and literacy skills, how to use the internet and other such things I learnt in Primary School or high school, and several of the people there are just out of prison.

    The great thing is that they still haven't even sent my paperwork back to Ireland (by their own admission) and instead are sending me on useless courses at the cost of almost £40 alone for five days of the course in transport costs, whilst they cannot find time to complete a form which takes less than 5 minutes but they expect me to jump through as many hoops as they like despite the fact I am not even claiming benefits from them.

    I spoke to the Social Welfare service in Ireland and I was told the UK Job Centre is not using the correct process and they are acting in a way which is not in line with the EU regulation, all they should do is register me and then send the relevant form back to Ireland the day I am registered on their systems and Social Welfare in Dublin will deal with the rest. But they won't do that. They appear to be adding pre-conditions to this process and basically making me adhere to their rules for a benefit which is not even theirs, whilst at the same time denying me payment.
     
  10. moneybox

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    The UK social welfare system is much much harsher than the Irish system especially since they introduced all those austerity measures. You get nothing for nothing over there. By the way, even though you are transferring your benefit for up to 12 weeks you are still treated the same as any other unemployed person whether early school dropout, ex prisoner etc and you have to fulfill all the criteria of being available and actively searching for work, attending courses etc and if you don't, they won't hesitate for a moment to impose sanctions and suspend your payments for some weeks or even months.

    My advice to you would be to try and find some temporary position until you get on your feet. What is your line of work? They are hundreds of job agencies in London many of them specialised.
     
  11. NeedSomeHelp

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    I have zero gripe with searching for work and proving it etc, I expect that and in itself that is not a problem since as you say that is the way that unemployed people are expected to behave in the UK. I don't even have any issues with going on relevant courses.

    What I do have a problem with is essentially being asked to do my side of the agreement whilst they refuse to do theirs. I have to put in all these hours on a useless course, but they cannot find 5 minutes to send a form out so I cannot get paid. They've also been quick to say that any rules of the UK social welfare system don't apply because I am not on their benefits. However any rules which suit them do apply because I am expected to act like I am on their benefits. Essentially picking and choosing.

    The Irish Social Welfare office have told me the British Government cannot suspend my payments because of the fact that
    1) They haven't even done the paperwork to start them yet.
    2) Once the paperwork is complete the payments are made by Social Welfare in Dublin, direct to bank account without any input from the UK. The UK Government then sends monthly updates that I am looking for work and as long as they say I am, the payments continue.

    The other problem is that I am supposed to register with the UK agency within 7 days of coming here. I did that on my first day but I have been told by Social Welfare in Ireland that my claim may be closed if they do not hear confirmation from the UK authorities that I did so within a reasonable timeframe as they have no proof I actually did what I agreed to do before leaving Ireland.
     
  12. NeedSomeHelp

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    Another week has now gone by without payment and Irish Social Welfare Office have confirmed that the UK government have yet to contact them in line with EU requirements.

    The DWP and UK Job Centre continue to refuse to discuss this matter with me or tell me what is happening with this and as such to the Irish Social Welfare office it looks like I have not fulfilled my obligations since the UK JC refuses to communicate with them.

    Essentially I'm told what "should" happen is that on the day I hand them the form U2, they should fax it to Newcastle, who then complete form U009 and send it to Social Welfare in Ireland. From what I have been told the fax hasn't even been sent.

    Effectively I'm being forced to act like I am on benefits by the UK JC, without them actually taking the steps necessary to actually resume my claim with no assurances that payment will be backdated to cover this period.