Amazing differences in mortality rates in Europe

Brendan Burgess

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There is an amazing difference between Germany and France

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These figures are extraordinary

Mortality rates for those with CV

Italy: 8%
Spain: 4.5%
France: 2.2%
Germany: 0.2%



Brendan
 
No real logic to it, but will it change when numbers rise and are the people being tested in the same age groups with similar ailments, etc?
 
The German figures are strange, while they do have more ICU per capita than other countries, people are also questioning if they are correctly recording cause of death e.g. if someone with a serious underlying condition dies and had the virus, are they recording it as coronavirus or due to the condition:
www.euronews.com

Why does Germany have so few coronavirus deaths?

Germany has more than 3,000 COVID-19 cases and six deaths so far. Much fewer in comparison to other affected countries.
www.euronews.com www.euronews.com

Also, the number of deaths depends on how long the country has had cases as it may take weeks for a surge in cases to show up in mortality rates.
 
Well one thing which isn’t covered in the numbers is the percentage of those infected who are in the at risk categories. It could be that in Germany the initial infections are heavily weighted towards those who can more easily shake it off.
 
10% of patients with CV require ventilators for at least 2 weeks.

Germany has one of the highest level of ICU beds/ventilators in Europe at 29.2 per 100,000. They have also been adding to this number greatly since the crisis.

Italy have 12.5 per 100,000. They are now overwhelmed. Doctors say they don’t have enough ventilators so more people are dying.

Ireland has 6 per 100,000. We are in BIG trouble here when the numbers jump.
 
XMarks said:
10% of patients with CV require ventilators for at least 2 weeks.

Germany has one of the highest level of ICU beds/ventilators in Europe at 29.2 per 100,000. They have also been adding to this number greatly since the crisis.

Italy have 12.5 per 100,000. They are now overwhelmed. Doctors say they don’t have enough ventilators so more people are dying.

Ireland has 6 per 100,000. We are in BIG trouble here when the numbers jump.
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Leo said we have hundreds and hundreds on the way .
 
I heard that we are getting 100 extra per week. We need about 2500 immediately and 100 extra per week from then on.
 
odyssey06 said:
Also, the number of deaths depends on how long the country has had cases as it may take weeks for a surge in cases to show up in mortality rates
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Not necessarily.

Finland was the 3rd country in the EU, after France & Germany, to report a confirmed case on 28 January.

Up to 17th March it had a comparatively small 322 cases - 13th in the EU - & no reported deaths.

By contrast, The Netherlands, which reported its first case on 27 Feb, had 1705 cases - 5th in the EU - and 43 deaths up to 17th March.

I think it might have something to do with population size and the numbers located in large cities.

Proximity to and travel between larger neighbours might also affect numbers.
 
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Brendan Burgess said:
These figures are extraordinary
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The numbers do seem extraordinary high when compared to other ailments. This is clearly a dangerous virus, but another factor is a diagnosis for COVID-19 requires confirmation via laboratory testing (blood or swab analysis), whereas flu numbers for example will include clinical diagnosis numbers. There is also a variance in the criteria being applied before a test will be ordered from country to country, and even within the same country as the situation evolves, much of that driven by a prioritisation of limited resources to the most serious cases. Most children getting this show little in the way of symptoms, so won't meet the criteria for testing and subsequent inclusion in the stats.

A number of labs across the country are being reassigned to assessing samples, and other HSE staff are being trained in sample taking to staff the drive-through centres being set up. I hear there are shortages of PPE, and I suspect there is a limited supply of test kits, so it's unlikely in the short term that we, or any other country will get to a point where there is enough capacity to confirm every suspected case.
 
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The Italian figures today are frightening.

4,207 new cases - total 35,713
475 new deaths - total 2,978

That's only 299 deaths less than China with 80,894 cases.
 
XMarks said:
10% of patients with CV require ventilators for at least 2 weeks.

Germany has one of the highest level of ICU beds/ventilators in Europe at 29.2 per 100,000. They have also been adding to this number greatly since the crisis.

Italy have 12.5 per 100,000. They are now overwhelmed. Doctors say they don’t have enough ventilators so more people are dying.

Ireland has 6 per 100,000. We are in BIG trouble here when the numbers jump.
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And after much digging by CNN, it appears that the US have 19.75 ventilators per 100,000. Trouble is the they’re all in use.
 
A HSE doctor said that every ventilator, assuming two weeks use per patient this year, has the potential to save 26 lives. Each ventilator costs €30,000.

On another note, there is a GoFundMe doing the rounds called Feed the Heroes raising money to deliver food from
takeaways/restaurants to nurses and doctors. At the time of writing it has raised in excess of €200,000. It is going viral on social media and in the papers.

I am sure the HSE have ample food to feed their staff. Encouraging the likes of deliveroo staff into hospitals seems crazy to me.
 
Any new reasons for Italian rate which keeps goin through the roof and any thoughts on a peak there .
 
seamus m said:
Any new reasons for Italian rate which keeps goin through the roof and any thoughts on a peak there .
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Combination of the age profile of the Italian population, that the outbreak is concentrated in one region - not equally distributed over the entire country and their ventilator\ICU capacity is overwhelemed. They are conducting triage and people who might otherwise potentially be saved are dying.
 
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