There is no such thing as a "Palestinian" - these people are all Egyptians or Jordanians who have been abandoned by their fellow citizens.
The Palestinian people were sold out by the Arab League in the 40’s. Why is it that their oil rich neighbours can give them missiles and religious extremism but can’t give them money to build hospitals?
Israel does indeed have questions to answer, especially in how they administered the occupied territories since the 80’s and their policy of settlement in the West Bank, but while those in the Arab world that bleat about the Palestinians continue to oppress and subjugate their own people their criticism is deeply flawed and utterly hypocritical.
The West Bank; created by Jordan when it illegally invaded and took it by force from the UN mandated territory of Palestine with the rest of the then Arab League in 1948 in order to kill every Jew in Palestine, and taken by force by Israel in 1967 when the Arabs again invaded and tried to kill every Jew in Israel.
Gaza; created by Egypt when it illegally invaded and took it by force from the UN mandated territory of Palestine with the rest of the then Arab League in 1948 in order to kill every Jew in Palestine, and taken by force by Israel in 1967 when the Arabs again invaded and tried to kill every Jew in Israel.
The Golan Heights: Settled by both Jews and Arabs from the 1850’s onward. Jewish settlers who had put everything into building farms etc were expelled when it was given by Britain, when it part of British administered Palestine, to French administered Syria. Occupied by Israel after the ’67 invasion because of its strategic importance.
You might as well say there is no such thing as an Israeli.
Palestine is a recognised State by over 100 Countries and their right to self determination has been recognised by the UN and even Israel. The people living there and many people living outside consider themselves Palestinian. They deserve to recognised as such because as you say they have been abandoned by the Arab world. I certainly wouldn't take away any identity that they have tried to create for themselves.
Palestine isnt officially recognised as a State by the United Nations.
People seem to be painting Israel as being wrong and saying that it should not exist. The reality is that you cannot shift the millions of people who live in Israel, most of whom were born there. You cannot also force them to accept rule by an arab/muslim minority or become part of an undemocratic arab regime. Solutions that inferr getting rid of the state of Israel are not realistic solutions.
I also do not think that a newly created state called Palestine is a realistic solution - 2 parts which are geographically remote from one another with slightly different ethnicity, little in the way of resources and effectively have sealed borders (by Egypt and Jordan as well as Israel).
The only realistic solution is for the West Bank to return to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt. The West Bank was part of Transjordan which became the indepedent state of Jordan, but with its terrority reduced. The people are ethnically the same. A Jordan incorporating the West Bank is viable. Similarly the people of Gaza are mainly ethnic Egyptian and this area was previously part of Egypt. Gaza as a part of Egypt is viable.
Jordan & Egypt need to be made take responsibility for their people. The arab policy of sealing these people off in poverty/violence as a sick PR stunt in their proxy war with Israel is wrong. The people of these territories deserve proper rights and opportunities to lead normal productive lives.
From your post I think it's safe to say that you know quite a bit about the history of the region. Therefore I take it that you are aware that under the proposed plan put forward by the UN in 1947 Jerusalem and the land surrounding it would have been made a UN administered area. The Arab League was not happy with that plan so they invaded the day after the UN took control of the area. The 1948 borders are a result of this attack.
My point about the administration of the occupied territories since the early 80's is in the context of the cessation of any real threat of aggression from Jordan, Syria or Egypt by that period. In that context there was no excuse for the lack in investment by Israel after this period (not that there was much real excuse before that period).
I was not suggesting that the settlement issue only became a problem at that time, nor have I attempted to minimise it. I am aware that it goes back much further than the early 80's.
I have always found it utter folly that the most bigoted portion of the Jewish Israeli population dominated the interface between the Jews and Palestinians.
I am also sure that you are aware that the Ottoman Empire controlled Palestine since the 16th century and that a state called Palestine never existed in modern times, that there was extensive Arab emigration into British Mandated Palestine and that the senses carried out under Ottoman rule were utterly unreliable.
I am not excusing Israeli excesses during this conflict, its partial culpability in setting the stage for the current conflict or its slip toward a much more theocratic state but the notion that the Palestinian people have arrived in their current state of dejection by the actions of Israel alone is just false. The Ottomans, the Egyptians, the Crusaders, the Persians and the Romans before then have all kept the locals under foot.
The solution lies with Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Syrian and the USA. They all have to work together to sort things out (and Iran just has to bugger off).
They don't want to go back to Jordan or Eygpt and why should they?
When I say Jerusalem and the land surrounding it I'm alluding to all of what was Mandate Palestine. I wanted to highlight the position of Jerusalem in the territory and its special significance to Muslims.
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