I would argue that they presided over this period rather than delivered it - big difference IMO.
Arguably, FG/Lab deserve the credit for being responsible for the general upward trend in the economy - but a different argument I guess, and OT.
Ultimately, you have hit the nail on the head though with the old historical FF/FG pro & anti treaty allegiances. That it can be more likely that a FF supporter will switch to SF over FG speaks volumes IMO.
I'm one of the 40% so let me try and answer that question. Perhaps firstly, why did I vote FF. Lots of reasons
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- Partially family history, my family have always voted FF, the local TD is from the same parish (and is a good local politician and a decent man who has helped us in the past). In addition, the ancestors of the local FG politicians fired guns at my ancestors, don't underestimate the impact that memory that has in rural areas.
This is what drives me mad about the way we vote in Ireland. (and the reason why so many bog standard people are sitting in the Dail making crucial decisions about our futures.
This is what drives me mad about the way we vote in Ireland. (and the reason why so many bog standard people are sitting in the Dail making crucial decisions about our futures.
Partially their performance in the past, FF did deliver the most prosperous period in Irish history,
So was I right to vote FF?. Probably not in hindsight but hindsight is a wonderful thing. In fairness, some of the issues were out of their control, it's not FF fault that the housing market in the US plunged for example. What has disappointed me is the lack of leadership from Cowan, the perception I have that Lenihan is making it up as he goes along, Coughlin is out of her depth and so on and so forth and ultimately the fact that they blew it.
However I also remain to be convinced that other parties would have done things radically better. In fairness, they may have done but can we say for certain they would have.?
Look at the shower in the UK - claiming for DVD players and TVs. SF claiming expenses while not even taking their seats.
The Irish had their property boom - just the same as the US and the UK.
Looking to scapegoat politics for peoples stupidity beggers belief.
It is not FF's fault the housing market in the states plunged but 2 years ago when they took power there was speculation that they might change the precentage of stamp duty and for the best part of a year people were wary of buying houses and that was where the fall started.
Taking about blowing tax money - at one time that party wanted to compansate Eircom shareholders.
If that individual is so wonderful, they can always choose to go independent. They don't have to choose a party like FF with all it's connotations.
It isn't out of spite, it's because of what FF stand for that I don't vote for them.
Aside from a political system overhaul (is that what you mean?) the current system is the one in place and I vote in accordance with that system. I currently don't need re-education on my views
And I wasnt picking on one particular person here, I was simply saying that many people will vote against FF out of spite, some out of blind loyalty to other parties, some out of lack of understanding of FF's policies (if there are any at the moment) among other bad reasons to vote against FF...
Until we fix this mindset we will only ever stumble from mistake to mistake . . Learning from your mistakes isnt about voting for the opposite to the party that led you there, its about taking them on board and demanding better from all involved. What we demand, we will get, problem is that we are simply demanding a differant government (as opposed to a government that shows honesty, integrity and the peoples interest at heart. Does anybody think the next party will have that . . Not a chance . . So why are we accepting that this is just the way it will be . ..
"Learning from your mistakes isnt about voting for the opposite to the party that led you there"
And some who can see quite clearly that FF are behaving like a headless chicken, FF have done well out of the last 10 years because they got in just when the boom started. They were lucky.
Are you sure you aren't an FF politician because Biffo sure could use you to write his speeches.
What a load of twattle!
Are you saying FF brought us this current recession and now we shouldn't have a better govt.
So you're saying FF have nothing to do with the mess we're in now? That they were not hand in hand with developers, builders etc? That all that stuff that's come out in the tribunals is not an inditment (sp?) of some of their members?
Actually 5 reasons why i'll never vote FF
[Until we fix this mindset we will only ever stumble from mistake to mistake . . Learning from your mistakes isnt about voting for the opposite to the party that led you there, its about taking them on board and demanding better from all involved. What we demand, we will get, problem is that we are simply demanding a differant government (as opposed to a government that shows honesty, integrity and the peoples interest at heart. Does anybody think the next party will have that . . Not a chance . . So why are we accepting that this is just the way it will be . .. /QUOTE]
FG and Labour have zero policicies to reform the public sector.
We have 114 local authories - How many does Labour or FG want?
I asked a FG canvassor the other night and he was clueless.
as opposed to a government that shows honesty, integrity and the peoples interest at heart.
[Until we fix this mindset we will only ever stumble from mistake to mistake . . Learning from your mistakes isnt about voting for the opposite to the party that led you there, its about taking them on board and demanding better from all involved. What we demand, we will get, problem is that we are simply demanding a differant government (as opposed to a government that shows honesty, integrity and the peoples interest at heart. Does anybody think the next party will have that . . Not a chance . . So why are we accepting that this is just the way it will be . .. /QUOTE]
FG and Labour have zero policicies to reform the public sector.
You obviously dont read a newspaper or listen to the news.
FF got 30% at the last local elections.
During the housing frenzy - they were not in control of local authorities.
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Please do not try and convince me that huge responsibility for the incredible rise in the property market does not lie at Fianna Fail's door. Liam Lawlor? Ray Burke?
[Until we fix this mindset we will only ever stumble from mistake to mistake . . Learning from your mistakes isnt about voting for the opposite to the party that led you there, its about taking them on board and demanding better from all involved. What we demand, we will get, problem is that we are simply demanding a differant government (as opposed to a government that shows honesty, integrity and the peoples interest at heart. Does anybody think the next party will have that . . Not a chance . . So why are we accepting that this is just the way it will be . .. /QUOTE]
FG and Labour have zero policicies to reform the public sector.
We have 114 local authories - How many does Labour or FG want?
I asked a FG canvassor the other night and he was clueless.
please follow link to see FG & Labour joint policy document on their 10 point Dail Reform....
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They want to reduce the number of local authorities from 114 to ........how many?please follow link to see FG & Labour joint policy document on their 10 point Dail Reform....
FG and Labour would win a gold medal for sitting on the fence and waffling.
What a shower of po faced know alls.
Facts are FF only got 30% at the last local elections.
Local Authorities were controlled by the currant opposition partys.
FG also favoured cutting stamp duty which would have further fueled the property bubble.
Cowen resisted calls from Independant Newspapers and FG to cut stamp duty.
Enda Kenny with certain elements in the Irish media wanted to further fuel the hosing frenzy.
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