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I was really making a general point, rather than hitting the Greens in the particular. It is a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario for smaller parties.The Greens? Yes. I think we can all agree they have been absolutely useless in Government.
At least if they're on the opposition bench they can complain about and point out the stupid/corrupt things FF do.
Topic Reminder: Who are these FF supporters?
Who knows? But I'm guessing there probably wouldn't be many CS/PS who would fall into that 27% at the moment and I think it will be a very major uphill task for FF to win them back in time for the next general election whenever it comes!
A lot of what's been said here about people's motivations for voting is quite condescending.
Eamonn Gilmore, Enda Kenny, Joan Burton and Richard Bruton are going to have to go out and win votes with their policies. They can't expect that the votes of people with different ideologies to theirs will simply switch away from FF en masse.
Labour and FG said nothing during the boom that would leave me to believe they would have prevented the bust and they are not saying much now that would lead me to believe they would manage us out of the mess any better.
People can argue all they want that this is not the case, but I think everyone is entitled to vote according to who they believe would provide better government.
To be honest I'd be more concerned at the people who supported FF during the boom but now have switched away from them simply because the policies they followed (one that were widely accepted by their voters) turned out to be foolish
excellent post der kaiser
In this thread, no one has yet admitted to supporting FF. Is there anyone out there brave enough to declare that they would vote FF?
at 27%, there must be someone reading this that would.
Very true, sadly.In an ideal world people would indeed vote according to who they believe would provide better government. But many people in Ireland do not vote according to who will govern the country the best, a lot of the time they vote on family tradition, who got the sister their planning permission etc.
A lot of what's been said here about people's motivations for voting is quite condescending.
A lot people would be guarded about revealing their voting preferences.
Even with the relative anonymity of user names people might prefer not to comment.
This is particularly going to be the case on this thread in specific. The phrasing and tone of the of the title question "Who are these FF supporters?" appears to be throwing down the guantlet to anyone who intends voting for FF to come on an justify themselves.
You have also attempted to pre-stigmatise FF voters by asking if they would be "Brave" enough to admit it. The general tone I'm picking up is that you think FF voters should be ashamed somehow and you're looking to have a go at them.
So to address the issue, in the absence of people coming forth and revealing their voting preference and their reasons at your whim, my guess is that many people still vote FF for historic reasons and many people who would favour capitalism over socialism (e.g. business people) would favour FF for ideological reasons
I would believe that there certainly is a stigma with voting for FF, and it wasn't created by me. FF's own actions over the last few years have created this stigma. I'm not asking for people to justify themselves either, I just have a morbid curiosity. I created this thread simply to see who these people are, not to enter into political dialogue with them.
This thread has only been active for just over a day, but so far it appears that no one will admit to voting for FF. I ask myself why? I spoiled my last vote, and don't mind admitting it. I will wait a while longer and see what happens.
With regards your 'capitalism' comments, I completely disagree. FF's brand of capitalism is about gross market distortion and cronyism. Certainly not conducive for honest business people trying to set up (unless property related, or a protected profession)
I'm just looking for people to post 'I would vote for FF'
Don't kid yourself that FF aren't driven by opinion polling in everything that they do. They are just a bit more selective about who's opinion they poll than others. They poll those people who have and who will support them financially.Also the fact that they now have such little support and the chances of them winning the next election are so slim that they have nothing to lose by making the tough decisons that this Country needs. If FG or Labour came into power tomorrow, we would be back to the days of opinion polls driving policy because they be so afraid to go the same way as FF. We would end up in a state of political paralysis like FF was in when they did the first budget and then made all the u-turns. (I know that doesn't make sense. I mean that I would prefer FF to stay in power rather than to have a general election)
Is that opinion based on fact or just more tired ideological dogma?Don't kid yourself that FF aren't driven by opinion polling in everything that they do. They are just a bit more selective about who's opinion they poll than others. They poll those people who have and who will support them financially.
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